Feminists say nothing about Imus’s slam on female ballplayers

The feminists should all be ashamed of themselves but An apology is not enough. We have heard several examples of racist rhetoric from public figures who, when caught, think that a apology will make everything better.African Americans can not allow this to blow over without expressing our collective outrage and demanding that Imus be fired."

"By allowing Imus to continue his morning show says a lot about CBS and MSNBC and what they think about the black community. His show should have been canceled immediately. Every day he is allowed to speak to a vast audience lets black Americans know that this type of ignorance is except able by CBS and MSNBC."


"Mel Gibson makes a comment about Jews and it's all over the news, Isaiah Washington makes a comment about gays and it's all over the news, Imus makes a disgusting comment about black females and not a peep from the mainstream news am I missing something here?

Are black women so irrelevant now that anyone can take liberties with our sisters and it does not even make a blip on the radar screen. "

This is the reason why many African-American women embrace the term of Womanist because when issues that intersect both race and gender occur; white feminist are silent.

Yes, Black women are promoted and displayed as "nappy-headed ho's." Black men have joined in the chorus of degrading black women to the point of critical mass (rap, hip-hop is often mysoginistic (sp?). I am a Black woman and I'm faced with hatred from Black men (strangers) at almost every turn. I am often looked down upon because I am Black and because I wear my hair natural. It's a difficult life; but I am coping.

Through its listserv, the Association for Women Journalists--Chicago has been coordinating a response to Imus, including protest letters to his show and network and demands that the Federal Communications Commission open an indecency inquiry and fine him for his remarks. As women journalists, we don't have any difficulty understanding that slams against one group of women are attacks on all of us.

Let's not give Don Imus and his ilk a victory by using his behavior as an occasion for a game of "Let's you and him fight"--for saying that the REAL problem is those insensitive feminists, or the excessive attention given to Jews or gay people. The real problem is that even in this era of instant communications, it takes a few days for people who've been insulted and assaulted to get the word to their allies and for those allies to organize a response. AWJ--Chicago, for instance, is holding a Board meeting tomorrow night (Monday the 9th) to consider additional appropriate action.

No, I'm wrong. The real problem is that Don Imus is a racist and sexist with a huge media platform. Let's focus on fixing that, shall we?

I've linked this post on my blog, and I'm going to write an email to NOW about this. It's despicable. As a white woman, I am ashamed by my fellow white feminists' lack of concern about racism.

Sorry, Kelly, I can't accept that.

Anyone in journalism knows that the first 24 to 48 hours of the news cycle are the most important. Had NABJ not stepped into this, there is no doubt that it would have died down and folks would have went back to business as usual.

If AWJ-Chicago wants to get involved, fine.

But NOW and Martha Burke's group has a rapid response team. And if NABJ can respond that fast, then so can they.

By the way, STILL no peep from the top women's groups.

They are showing their true colors on this one.

Louisa,

This is not a case of just racism. Frankly, the primary point of contention is that it's sexist.

I am a 36 year old Black male. I believe the outrage that is brewing over Don Imus's comments are ridiculous. The Black community would be a lot better off if we showed the same outrage whenever a Black man gets on the radio or on TV and makes the same statements. These same comments are blurted out daily on urban radio, BET, and everywhere else, and it's all good as long as it's a Black man doing the blurting. But let an old white man make the same comment via an off the cuff remark and it's a national outrage.

These rappers that spew that trash are admired by our youth. They teach our youth that it's ok to speak that way. So the problem perpetuates itself.

Our youth don't pay attention to Don Imus, so as I see it, it doesn't have the same impact.

This same sentiments were echoed earlier by Beverly, and Roland responded to other posts, but diligent skipped over responding to her. Be careful Roland, you're letting your hypocrisy show.

I'm not sure where I've been as I didn't hear about this incident until I caught Roland on CNN this morning. I agree, Don Imus' comments were wrong and a simple apology and moving on is not enough. That seems to be the path of least resistance nowadays. Do something wrong, apologize, and all is well and it's business as usual. He made a mistake- a big one, but I have a different perspective. As a Black female who enjoys playing and watching sports, I'm outraged that few major networks, sports shows or news stations even care about the women's NCAA tournament. Let's face it, "March Madness" is focused on the male teams and the women get very little attention. Don't get me started about the inequality that exists between male and female sports. Who picked up the story about Duke University's loss and the absolute grace in how Lindsey Harding handled that defeat? At least Don Imus was talking about the women's basketball team. Now did he take it in the wrong direction and way too far, absolutely! Does he deserve to be fired over his comments...I honestly don't know. He's mainstream media, yes and maybe that's what everyone is up in arms about, but honestly I'm more offened when I turn on any comedy channel or music video channel and hear Black rappers and comedians (men and some women) referring to our Black women as bitches and hos. Now Don Imus was probably trying to be funny in the moment and made a stupid and perhaps costly mistake. What about these so called entertainers that use the words so casually that it seems to me, they no longer have the words female or women in their vocabulary? We are simply a bitch or a ho to them and the records continue to sell, the songs continue to air, jokes continue to get laughs, Comedy Central and HBO continue to headline these folks. What's up with that? And where is the outrage? The Don Imus thing will pass and we will get over it. The vilification of Black women by our own is pervasive and believe me is a mainstream media thing now that I'm not sure we'll get over. It has infected the very core of Black society. If there is going to be a ground swell of outrage, let's focus our energy in the right direction. If Don Imus goes, then hopefully let the flood gates open up and let's wipe out all of the negative imagery and misogynistic messages we are assaulted with everyday from all sorts of media.

Bronwyn does have a point.

I meant Patrick. I have not read Bronwyn's yet.

Bronwyn does have a point. Patrick's a little stronger because of what he points out about Roland's hypocrisy.

Reality is NOBODY RESPECTS A SLAVE. Black folks inherited their names from their oppressors and TO THIS DAY continue to HONOR those who brutalized their ancestors by perpetuating their names. NOBODY RESPECTS A SLAVE. I changed my name and guess who seemed to dislike that more than any other people. Majority of Black folks are just as asleep mentally as they were back in 1800. Who thinks a just and righteous “God” wants to see a people abusing themselves like this? Slave names, still eating slop and unhealthy food dating back to slave days, referring to yourselves by the same degrading term that the slavemaster called you, youth leading youth using profanity with a beat; this and much more adding up to total self-hatred. When anybody in the world hears us utter our names (slave names) THEY KNOW that here is a person with little or no dignity. People with slave names THINK that they are dignified but it is scientifically impossible when you are ignorantly honoring those who enslaved you. I think this is a CRUCIAL STEP ONE for black folks if you want true dignity and respect. By perpetuating the slave name is like saying that you APPROVE of what they did, it’s a brand, and to show that approval, you name your children after them, just like your great-great grands and great grands and your parents. Cast away a slave name and take on a name with meaning and dignity. It won’t be easy and may take some time, but first see the sense of it and plant the thought. Get rid of that slavemaster’s name. As long as they hear you utter those names they know that you are infantile in your thinking and they have you in their hip pocket and feel that you are not even deserving of respect, let alone, equality. And please don’t interpret this as a condoning of what that devil said. Once again, NOBODY RESPECTS A SLAVE. NOBODY RESPECTS A SLAVE!

I second that. ;-)

Roland: I appreciated your time on CNN this a.m. but must object to your comments.

1) It doesn't matter whether or not Imus has a history of these types of comments. This incident alone is more than enough to warrant his firing as well as that of his producer and anyone else involved in this disgrace.

2) Your comment that these are well-educated black women was completely inappropriate (so to suggest they shouldn't have insults hurled at them because they're educated). As if their status in life has anything to do with their worth as human beings. If they were high school drop-outs living on the street, the comments would be equally offensive.

Where is the outrage concerning calling the virtue of these young ladies into question???? That is absolutely intolerable.

As an anti-feminst, conservative Christian, white woman... I am completely appalled by these events. I can't believe there is even debate as to whether or not Imus should be gone. He should've been fired immediately - there should be no debate.

Christians should be leading the outcry against this type of indefensible behavior.

Kim,

You disagree with what I said?

You're in agreement with. And I am a Christian, and I object to what he said and he should go!

So exactly what are you disagreeing with?

klm, Christians generally don't know what's what.

T - I'm sorry you feel that way but point well taken. Remember, you can't lump all of us together! (I know you said 'generally'). That says a lot about where we are...and not in a good way.

I live in Paris, Texas and I don't see what the big issue is with Mr. Imus comment. It was comedic in nature and not intended to offend anyone of consequence. Rap music, unemployment, drugs, thuggery, black-on-black crime and children with no fathers present are the real enemy of the black society, not Don Imus.

In fact, klm, I challenge you to find 2 average black christians who know ANYTHING about the Council of Nicea.
Standard answer: The Council of what?

What bothered me the most was that Don Imus used the word "HO" to describe these college students. Wow! Is this what they think of all Black women? We must understand that if people are not open-minded enough to spend time and get to know a certain group of people, they will latch on to the most negative images being portrayed in the media and run with that.

Yes Don Imus should be fired along with all the black people out there who are degrading black women in worse ways EVERY SINGLE DAY! Watching and listening to blacks disrespecting each other is worse than anything Don Imus and every other racist non-black person could ever say. Guess what people? Our impressionable youths today are not watching CNN, CNBC or FOX, they are watching BET music videos where this goes on around the clock. Yes, the rappers are doing more damage to our black youth than this comment will do, period. How come I don't hear any of these journalist out there "picketing" or "boycotting" Black Entertainment Television.
WAKE UP people. This is not the first and it won't be the last time that a white person will make negative comments about black people. We need to stop sending the outrageous images we are sending to the world about who we are!!!! We should be held partially responsible and CLEAN UP our community starting with the music.

I would like to add that we must also be concerned and upset with the producer who was the first person to reference the basketball players as 'hos.' Unfortunately, Imus kept the conversation spiraling in a negative manner towards the women basketball players. They should both be held responsible for the racist and sexist comments that were made.

Roland: Hoping to clarify...

1) You suggested Imus' history of unfortunate comments warrants his firing. As if this were the last straw. I'm saying it's this one incident alone that should cost him his job, even if it were his first offense. Maybe you feel that way, too, maybe not. Not a big deal.

2) You commented this morning on CNN that the Rutgers ladies are smart women...citing one woman's high GPA and another's triple major. I'm saying that's irrelevant. It matters not how smart, pretty, etc. To me that intimated that if they weren't so smart maybe it wouldn't be so bad for horrible comments to be made about them. Of course, I know that's NOT what you meant...but it came across that way to me. Again, I know that was not your intent.

Thanks for your time. We agree on the big picture!

Get your facts straight. You have are making statements that are not true. Show a transcript of Imus saying any thing about N-word jokes to Wallace.

Typical over reaction to a person who said something stupid. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and you Roland are NOT without sin in this regard. Sharpton isn't either.

They should all be fired and we need to boycott everything MSNBC and anyone else that supports Don Imus and his crew. I thank Roland Martin for stepping up and defending Black women on his radio show. This should not go away until they all off the air. I am OUTRAGED, I have already written MSNBC and the FCC is next. It's time for us to step up and defend ourselves against this bigotry in an intelligent manner, which means write or call the stations do something take action don't just talk about it. Thank you.

It does not surprise me that white feminist have not responded, because "feminism is white racism is drag". Feminism is another form of divide and conquer focused on the task of separating, dividing and conquering the Black community through exaggerated, fallacious data to demonize Black Men.

There were jewish individuals who actively participated in operationg the gas chambers in Germany which alledgely exterminated over 6mm jews. Does this fact somehow lessen the severity of the act? In the working environment, at your place of employment, could I utter the words "you white b----" and not expect repurcussions based on laws protecting against sexual harassment although I heard other white females state the same? It only takes someone to be offended by the conversation in order for a sexual harassment claim to be filed and successfully litigated, regardless of the initial recipient of such a statement was not offended and indeed participated in the discussion.

Blacks spend far too much time defending against the baseless statements about "rappers" being able to do it so how can you condemn whites. The jewish (Judao-Christians) have and continue to receive billions of dollars annually from their alledged holocaust although other jews actively participated, without so much of an utterance of the fact to discredit or lesson their justification for compensation from the holocaust. Anti-semetic would be uttered and you would be ostracized by thousands.

Patrick Says:

April 9th, 2007 at 5:47 am
I am a 36 year old Black male. I believe the outrage that is brewing over Don Imus’s comments are ridiculous. The Black community would be a lot better off if we showed the same outrage whenever a Black man gets on the radio or on TV and makes the same statements. These same comments are blurted out daily on urban radio, BET, and everywhere else, and it’s all good as long as it’s a Black man doing the blurting. But let an old white man make the same comment via an off the cuff remark and it’s a national outrage.

These rappers that spew that trash are admired by our youth. They teach our youth that it’s ok to speak that way. So the problem perpetuates itself.

Our youth don’t pay attention to Don Imus, so as I see it, it doesn’t have the same impact.

This same sentiments were echoed earlier by Beverly, and Roland responded to other posts, but diligent skipped over responding to her. Be careful Roland, you’re letting your hypocrisy show.
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I applaud you Patrick and I agree with you in alot of what you say.. I just want to add.. The man
(Don Imus) has done more for this country black or white then Roland S Martin or Sharpton has done combined. so stop hating and being such cry babies

Don Imus has been saying insulting and disparaging things on his show for years. Look up "shock-jock" in the dictionary and you will see his picture. Last week he managed to infuriate both women and black americans. After listening to all the rhetoric this weekend about him and whether he should "stay or go", there is no doubt he should go. I really could have used less conversation about what a bad guy he is and more about how to get him off the air. Its pretty clear he is a dinosaur in his perceptions, and a person who has no business being on the airways with a public voice. Period. Tell us about his sponsers, and identify the products that we need to stop buying. I am ready to help send him packing. Onward and upward. For the good of all america.

Roland.. why dont you let people finish.. if you dont like what your hearing.. you interrupt.. I'll answer your question.. Hopefully you can read it on the radio since i cant get thru phone wise.. I would laff if he called my daughter a nappy headed ho.. and ill tell you why.. because I know he is a good person and it was a joke.. hello.. a joke.. stop cryin like a baby.. be a man.. be an adult.. oh.. and your caller that asks where is oprah winfrey?.. oh thats good.. involve a racist to go against someone else you call a racist.. wise up Roland..

Oprah a racist? As much as she loves white folks?

Gangsta rappers do a billion times more damage to the image of Black women and the Black community than Don Imus could ever hope to do with his insulting comments. We need to stop pointing the finger at scapegoats like Imus and stop honoring gangsta thugs by giving them NAACP Image Awards.

I'M APPAULD BUT NOT SHOCKED AT ALL, I MEAN LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON IN AMERICA CONCERNING BLACK PEOPLE AND NOTHING GETS SAID BY THE MASSES. IMUS IS AN IDIOT JUST LIKE THE REST OF THEM. NOT TO TAKE THE BLAME OR FOCUS OFF IMUS BUT BLACK PEOPLE SAY STUPID STUFF ABOUT EACH OTHER ON A PUBLIC FORUM, SO IN TURN WHITE PEOPLE THINK IT'S FAIR GAME. LOOK AT WHAT BILL COSBY SAYS, WHAT OPRAH SAYS AND THE BLACK SHOCK JOCK STAR SAYS.

BUT IT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IT'S WHAT THRY'RE NOT SAYING. I TALKING ABOUT EVERY BLACK PERSON THAT CAN EASILY GET A FORUM IN MAGAZINES OR T.V. FROM DENZEL, 50 CENT , RUSSELL SIMMONS, HALLE BERRY, SCARFACE, LUDACRIS, WESLEY SNIPES, USHER, OPRAH, THE HUGHES BROTHERS, SPIKE LEE, DR. DRE, QUEEN LATIFAH, CHRIS ROCK, ETC. ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE POWER THAT THEY DON'T USE TO SQUASH PEOPLE LIKE IMUS WHEN THIS STUFF IS SAID.

BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT ORGANIZED, WE NEED TO BE A MIGHTY FIST BUT IT'S SAD TO SAY WE ARE NOT.

Once again a people are attacked and once again they fail to respond to the right ‘enemy’ before them
By Gregory Moore

SAN ANTONIO -- When Don Imus called the Rutgers’ women’s basketball team a bunch of “nappy headed ho’s” last week, we were all appalled that someone who has been in the radio broadcasting industry would make such a horrific mistake. But then again if you have ever listened to “Imus in the Morning” on MSNBC or on the radio, such comments shouldn’t be a surprise. For thirty years, Don Imus and his ragamuffin band of radio comrades for his program have been pretty much potty mouthed, sexist, racist and anything else you want to throw their way. If you wanted to find a good definition of “Playa hating” in this time and age, Merriam Webster would have a picture of Imus’ ‘nappy’ afro mug shot right next to the definition: “anyone who believes he is all pious, believes that making fun of anyone and everyone because they have ability or accomplishments that he or she cannot achieve, someone who believes in espousing vitriol hatred towards any one group for no reason whatsoever is cool”. That definition fits Don Imus. It fits his producer, Bernard McGurk, who chimed in on the comments. It fits anyone who has been associated with the Imus show and has made offensive remarks. But you know what the irony is? It’s just par for the course this day and age because no program director or executive producer is willing to yank a talk show with great ratings when the show’s host or contributors attack an individual, a people or group.

But as troubling as Imus’ comments are and the fact that he needs to be removed off of the airwaves, what is far more troubling is the fact that we have individuals who want to do the right thing and demonstrate their displeasure but they are going about to attack the wrong ‘enemy’ for what they perceive as a wrong. The NAACP, the Rev. Al Sharpton, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and others want Black America to boycott MSNBC but in stark reality it should be CBS Radio and Infinity Broadcasting who should be getting the emails, letters of disgust and protests. But why has everyone chosen MSNBC? Because they seem to be the ‘easiest’ target in the fight.

That’s typical of today’s “Black movement” when it comes to trying to bolster up support and make a move of change against a perceived threat. Even the National Association of Black Journalists’ Byron Monroe should know that the course of action isn’t to protest MSNBC but to go after a parent company. The direction of any attack on getting Imus removed should be aimed at WFAN’s lack of willingness to listen to an audience or segment of the population who have felt harmed by one of their own. No one at WFAN has even addressed the topic; they have all hidden behind their desks and “Dilbert” cubicles. But that should be expected by someone in the business that is afraid to stand up against what is wrong and forget about the profits or ad billing dollars that come forth.

What is truly amazing in light of this “Michael Richards” Freudian slip is the fact that the collective community known as the Black community still does not know how to project a response in a direction that will bear fruit from the toils of their labors. If the NABJ, NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson and others want Imus removed, then forget about boycotting the offices of MSNBC. Boycotts these days, unless they are economic boycotts to the advertisers who ‘sponsor’ the show on both radio and television. Those types of boycotts simply do not work because the sophistication needed to pull off them with any success relies on a willingness of a complete community to say, “No I will not buy this product”. That chance will not happen in this case. However the next best thing is for the Black community to flex its muscle by voicing its outrage on its own airwaves. Shows like the Tom Joyner Morning Show, the Michael Baisden Show, Sharpton Speaks, Black Men Revealed and any other radio or television shows in the community need to make this an almost daily mission to let it be known their displeasure. Black organizations, from fraternities and sororities to professional organizations and churches need to let their elected officials know that if they make an appearance on the Imus show, they will lose their vote. Even the professionals in the media, myself included, need to act as if Imus doesn’t exist. If he calls, we say “No thanks. I’ve got a date with slug in the next room”.

If the Black community really wants to stop such attacks on its culture, its people and its contributions to the American landscape, then it is time for it’s so-called leaders to learn how to fight these wars by attacking the ‘correct’ enemy and quit reacting to the first ‘soft target’ that just pops up on their radar.

Gregory Moore is the Managing Editor of the San Antonio Informer, a weekly African American newspaper located in San Antonio, Texas and is a former NBA analyst for Fox Sports Radio and has appeared ESPN’s “Outside the Lines Nightly”, “Hot List” and “4 Quarters” programming. He currently is a contributing writer for Basketball News Service’s ‘Hoopsworld.com” website covering the San Antonio Spurs and is a show contributor to Sporting News Radio, The Big Mo Show as well as several local talk radio shows in San Antonio, Texas and Richmond, Virginia.

I just wonder why it is okay when black men degrade black women but Imus makes a dumb comment and everyone in the black community wants him fired? I would worry more about the issues facing African-Americans (and other minorities). I guess it is alright to make fun of the white guy behind the desk but not take responsiblity for what the black community says about itself through rap or maybe it is a double standard only in reverse. Think about it.

How come I don’t hear any black people yelling when a black comic stands there and makes” FUN” of the cracker or whitey? You need to get the chip off your shoulder and move on. We need to come together as one nation not black or white. So get off your soap box it was said as a joke he calls his wife a woe and he has called many people nappy head before. By the way last time I checked the Rutgers team had white people on it also!

Beverly, Patrick, Bronwyn, Phoenix22, et. al. - Off the topic for a minute... You guys are dead-on with your comments on the way black women and men are often depicted. And your remarks cut to the core of the real issues at hand. However.... how do we put the genie back in the bottle???? In Feburary, CNN did a nice special on the impact of negative hip-hop culture (emphasis that hip-hop in and of itself is not negative...it's the perversion of societal norms within hip-hop that is degrading and destructive to us all). Everyone on the special had great questions and great insights and made strong points. But does anyone have an answer?? I have yet to hear anything convincing that anyone knows what to do about it. We need someone of influence to lead a movement. Roland, you interested? ;)

I believe that using a similar strategy that have been used on us, and that is to keep us where we can be seen or monitored. Whether that may be the housing projects, or prisons; it has been successful. So I don't necessary prescribe kicking Anus off the air, but rather leaving him there so we can attack him on his views via letters, emails, etc. We should know by now that he has a following and they will read his books in the privacy of their homes and they may be our co-workers, supervisors, teachers, the dealership you purchased your car or your telephone from, and even politicians we have voted for. As far as Anus supporting sickle cell, well you know that is an oxymoron because those with the condition of hatred always try to compensate, like the former Governor Ryan of Illinois who aided in killing those children by the truck driver who bought his driver license as a part of the governor's racket, and what did the governor do? He decided to ban the execution of those on death roll and received international recognition. Fortunately, he was not able to compensate effectively, and he is in a place where he can be monitored; prison. Just another point of view, and I will definitely support a “no buy” on MSNBC and its sponsors.

I love my nappy hair. I dont consider it a negative. Sharpton seems to consider that an insult. Is that why he always straightens his hair?

Tried to listen to Sharpton on net. Had it on all morning. Somehow I knew my connection would be killed because WOL can't handle this kind of volume. Typical.

Anybody remember THE GREASEMAN (scum bag) ? He got fired for using hateful speech in a misguided attempt to be humerous ~ Imus was not hateful ~ just a JERK. Just like eveyone who is pimping off his celebrity jacking-up their own ratings ! While you can't un-ring the bell, many are now ringing it again and again and again for their own selfish purposes - not so much for any real outraged sense of being demeaned by IMUS racially insensitive stupid remarks.

IMUS served in the USMC in '57 recruit training and advanced infantry combat training with black men and you can believe that he was a Brother In Arms and ready to die for America - with them !
Bugle player or not every Marine is a combat infantryman first ~ Semper Fi bro.

The girl's coach probably called them worse names when upset with their practice, performance or when angered ?

My heart goes out to their parents. Let IMUS give the athletic program at Rugers $100k and get off it and move on !

There are REAL problems facing the black communities from lack of equal opportunities, education, vocatonal training and meaningful employment seemingly programmed to go directly into prison to be followed by more toment, abuse, gangs, drugs and disease when they get there to be warehoused with no training thus to seethe and breed more contempt yet for society, etc. while they watch more depraved shit on TV along with the little ones left at home where they came from too !

The IMUS issue is a mere self-agrandizing and stupid diversion by those who won't face up to the real institutionalized societal racists and biggots who are really murdering black folks and getting away with it ~ wholesale and if you haven't noticed ~ DUh IT'S Getting Worse !

THOSE PEOPLE ARE KILLERS ~ whereas all IMUS is or ever was is a Smart, half-assed funny but adled Jerk with fried brain cells from years of drug and alcohol abuse, now getting his celebrity pimped up wholesale by not so transparant people piling-on.

Have at it ~ money talks and B.S. walks. IMUS will survive ~ this controversy plays right into his sponsors cost-benefit-ratios !

Another thing: Even if NBC and MSNBC fired him he could build his own studio and syndicate his own show to even more than 70 stations and be courted by over 100 cable channels to carry him internationally too.

KEEP IT REAL ~ right. Chris Rock could have said it. Richard Pryor would have said it refering to IMUS ~ That 'N's crazy. As Lily Tomlin said: "and that's the truth every word of it." and Gilda Radner of Rosanna Danna fame and beloved memory used to say " Never mind !"

Maybe the femanist groups haven't said anything because they are smart enough to know the lack of viciousness in the comment. We as a society have become much much to sensitive about what we can say, what we can do, how we can think, etc. etc.etc.... Roland what we don't need is big mouths like yourself fueling the fire to get everyone to jump on board your cause to further your own career. Your opinions are know better or worse than anyone else's. So please spare us all your whining. This country has much more pressing issues to solve than some idiot (Imus) making comments and other idiots (You) listening to them. Oh, and by the way, if you don't like it, why don't you go back as you previously called it, to the Motherland.

WOW!!!!!!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE STATEMENTS. ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT DON IMUS STATEMENT IS FINE BECAUSE RAPPERS SAY THE SAME THING??????? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME????? DIDN'T YOUR MOTHER EVER TELL YOU DON'T BE A COPYCAT?????? DON IMUS IS A GROWN ASS MAN, HE AND HE ONLY HAS TO STAND AND FACE THE MUSIC!!!! WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT RAPPERS...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DON IMUS, PERIOD!!!!! RAPPERS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR OWN DEMONS. I CAN NOT BELIEVE BLACK SOCIETY CONSTANTLY TRIES TO PLACE ALL THE BLAME IN OUR SOCIETY ON RAPPERS.

ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THE LAST 30-35 HAS DOOMED BLACK PEOPLE?????? NOT DRUGS, NOT THE GOVERNMENT, NOT GUNS, NOT THE WILLIE LYNCH LETTER, NOT FATHERLESS HOMES, NOT MIDDLE CLASS BLACKS THAT TURN THEIR BACKS ON POOR BLACKS, NOT WHITE SUPREMECY. NONE OF THAT JUST RAP, RAP HAS DOOMED OUR RACE LIKE RAPPERS ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO USE THE WORD BITCH, HO OR NIGGA. HELL MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. USE THE WORD NIGGA. ARE YOU GOING TO ACCUSE HIM OF THE SAME THING????????

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY LUKE WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SEEN A NAPPY HEAD WHITE PERSON? I WOULD SAY NEVER WHICH MEANS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. IF WE ARE ON A SOAPBOX IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE FORCED US UP THERE. VERY, VERY FEW WHITE PEOPLE SPEAK ON THE BEHAVE OF BLACK PEOPLE UNLESS THEY'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. YOU DO UNDERSTAND WHITE PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT PLAYING ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD???? BUT I DO AGREE WE AS A NATION NEED TO COME TOGETHER.........

Uh, I got an email from NOW, and they are on this issue. Check out their web site.

Mr. Martin, i was looking for the info you indicated would be on you site re: Imus. Thank You....S.Claus

Mr. Martin, what would Jesus say about Imus' comments?

Roland,

I've seen you pop up on the boards, and I'm still awaiting a response to my original post about what you've done to call rappers to task for calling women ho's.

From where I sit, it appears that rappers saying Ho is not as big of a deal to you because 1) they're Black and that gives them a pass or 2) attacking them doesn't gain you as much publicity as attacking Imus.

Actually, I'm more appalled by Roland and Rev Al raising such a stink about this whole thing. Had they been leading the charge against Jimmy Iovine and all the other music industry CEO's, I'd clap my hands in support.

I think the solution to this problem is multi-faceted. As a generation-X'er, I mean no disrespect to Rev. Al and Jesse, but enough with the marching and the talking. I think it's time that we ACT!!! Power brokers in this country don't respect talk...they respect action...and results. If Mr. Imus does not learn (the hard way) that there are serious consequences for this kind of conduct, then there's not much hope that MLK's "dream" will ever become a reality. The only real power we have in this country is the power of the purse. Black folk and brown folk spend an awful lot of money on goods and services and we need to use our economic power more strategically.

Moments ago NBC/CBS just announced that Imus will be suspended for 2 weeks. What a Joke!!! If we accept this without going after the advertisers who support him then, the message that we risk sending is that that the only consequence for dropping your drawers and taking a dump on Black humanity is a two week vacation from work. How sad.

For the past two months this nation has been (and continues to be) riveted by the ongoing saga of Anna Nicole Smith's death and the baby daddy mystery. Not ONCE did I ever hear her referred to as a 'ho. The circumstances of her death and the tragedy that will be her child's life (whether she ultimately inherits the money or not) are consistently described in the media with understanding and tolerance. The REALITY: Anna Nicole was a promiscuous drug addict and yet her people don't call her that.

Some of our men and women have made tens of millions calling each other niggas, bitches, and 'hos. The rest of us have contributed to the effort by consuming this crap. I too am guilty. I have shaked my ass, clapped and stomped my feet to words that are pure bile. My justification....the beat is soooo good! Well no more. I'm all Fiddy, Diddy and Luda-ded out. I'm done. If we don't stand up and reject the hatred and mysogny of some hip-hop music, then people like Imus will continue to use our own words against us. And we will deserve it!!!

I agree that there should be a public outcry about what Imus said. However, as a Black professional woman, I am outraged that our leaders don't do the same for the companies that promote recordings and videos where rappers call out women the same. Why aren't our leaders doing the same there? I am a third grade teacher who is constantly telling my young brothers about calling their Black sisters these names. I raised a son, who learned that this was not acceptable. Until we as a group of people stop thinking that this is alright, you are always going to have people like Imus doing the same thing. Let's get it together and stop it EVERYWHERE including among ourseleves.
Carla Chicago, Illinois

NOW has responded. Check out their website.

And Lisa Nowak was fired from NASA after she was charged with trying to kidnap another astronaut after driving 900 miles. She gets a new job! While in Texas 14 year old black chiild Shaquanda Cotton was sentenced to 7 years in prison for alledgely shoving a teacher, and how many times Catholic priests child molesters are walking free. Is there something absolutely screwed up with this picture? Its ok as long as we are the object of racism or injustice, while others get rewarded.

I'm watching Roots right now. Kunta does not want to be called Toby. As many black folk who have seen Roots, what lesson do you take from that. It's a shame 99.9 percent of you are complacent with your slave name. Niggers wake up! NOBODY IS GOING TO RESPECT A SLAVE! And yet you demand that other people respect you. Walking around named after your slavemaster. Dr. John Henrik Clark said dogs and slaves are named after their masters. Niggers wake up, for this is the true definition of a nigger. They only called you that after you bowed down to them as a slave.

I second that.

Maretta Short, president of the New Jersey chapter of N.O.W. has asked people to go to www.now.org to take action by sending messages to the general manager, Chuck Bortnick, of radio station WFAN, which produces Imus's show, and to Karen Mateo, communications vice president of CBS Radio, which owns WFAN, and to MSNBC. There is also a rally on Wednesday 4/11 at 2:30 PM, at Rutgers University, 350 Martin Luther King Boulevard, Newark.

Black women have been demeaned and called out of there names for centuries in this country. Long before there was such a thing as Rap music. This issue has nothing to do with rap. I say that as someone who is disgusted by some of the lyrics. Do not give Imus an out on this by trying to shift focus and blame others for what this grown man said. Some people were surprised to hear a White man refer to women in a demeaning way,please! I was watching Real World recently and a White guy on there called a White girl a stupid bitch

Will someone please regain their sense of humor. Almost all humor is based on darkness. Don Imus is an equal opportunity offender. I don't get my panties all in a bunch when he calls people Mics, which is my ethnic heritage. He is so obviously NOT a bad man. Why is it that only blacks get to be offended? And why would they bother with this one, which is so obviously not meant as a racial slur. And why don't the people who are offended by this not offended by black rappers who are SO much more anti-black women. To all, get a grip, try to regain your sense of humor! Quit taking offense when none is intended. Feel how good it feels to laugh again and to poke and have fun poked at you. Stand up for our right to humor, which is all but disappearing in the workplace because of thin-skinned folks.

My first emotions when learning of Imus's absurd comments (and those of his producer as well), were intense anger and feelings that not only should he (and his producer) be fired, but worse (legs broken, jaw dislocated, etc) preferably by the Rutgers women basketball team. After thinking about it more, I think that maybe he should not be fired. I say this because I am not sure that people should be fired for saying stupid things unless it is an ongoing thing that continually insults a group of people. I think Imus probably thought he was being "hip" by using the same vernacular he has heard the "Brothas" use and honestly thought his listeners - both white and black (although probably not the Rutgers women) would be amused by his comments - I think a more just "punishment” would be something along the lines of a 3 to six months suspension from his program and some form of community service - like working in an inner city community center or school – or perhaps in some sort of position of service for the Rutgers Women’s basketball team for next season. Not as a form of punishment, but more as a learning exercise that would illustrate up close and personal exactly what type of beautiful young women he denigrated with his ignorant, off the cuff comments. All this with the stipulation that any other such Faux Pas on his part would result in an immediate and unconditional termination.

Considering the things he has done to help young kids in need (black and white) with his medical center and his statements of contrition since (only he and God know how sincere they were), I just believe he (like all of us that sometimes say or do stupid things) deserves a 2nd chance.

Thanks, Roland!

This is long overdue! For years, White feminists have been able to enjoy the fruits of labor of the civil rights movement, e.g. affirmative action, without having to lead or even march at the back of the line. In recent years, affirmative action has come under intense assault, but the only voices of protest you hear are from traditional Black civil rights organizations while White feminists remain silent beneficiaries. Taylor Marsh opined today that rappers and the hip hop community should be taken to task for promoting a culture of misygony. While I agree, she and other unabashed (White) women for Hillary are in no position to call out rappers as they remain questionably silent, including Hillary Clinton. She used her column in part to highlight the continued strong support for Hillary Clinton over Obama. The numbers are clear: Hillary has a strong lead because of the overwhelming support of White women. If Hillary and her White female base are staking the position that the world would be a better place if a women lead the US, then why are they NOT taking the lead on this issue? Where is Hillary? Hiding! She will not risk the loss of the moderate to conservative democratic base (many closeted bigots) who might and would likely be offended by her criticism of Don Imus who enjoys widespread support from self-identified moderate and conservative democrats. White women have made no bones about it; they want to win this election at all cost including the diginity of young Black women.

Your like a breath of fresh air for Afro-american women around the globe, speaking out in defense of the attack once again on women of color. I came up in the 60s and remember the jokes and the name calling that I recieved from whites. which left a stigma on me until I became a young adult I had to learn early on to be proud of every part of my inner and outer being, as I became older and married I had two girls now 25 and 15 I remember buying books here in cincinnati for my girls to help me explain to them how beauitful they are this book talked about their skin their hair and with all the explaining I did on a daily basis when they would come home from school I would than have to deprogram my child from what society had deem them to be which was all negative. Its very her to see in this year 2007 that our Afo-american men will stand up for everything else except their women their still lost I watched that show on cnn with you and anderson cooper and the coments that were made by some of the callers that are men of color it was shameful I still dont understand what have we did as women of color to make the men of color feel so ashame to defend our honor. If this had happen to a group of white wone every white man in America would have ran to their defends and alot of Afr-american men as well. I guess they have forgotten who their mothers are their sisters and their children are its disgraceful, and with this been said I will remain divorce and single, I just like to thank you again for bein the beauitful Afro-american man that you are and that you do have a platform to voice the views of our community and represent the male figure where we have none. God Bless

Your like a breath of fresh air for Afro-american women around the globe, speaking out in defense of the attack once again on women of color. I came up in the 60s and remember the jokes and the name calling that I recieved from whites. which left a stigma on me until I became a young adult I had to learn early on to be proud of every part of my inner and outer being, as I became older and married I had two girls now 25 and 15 I remember buying books here in Cincinnati for my girls to help me explain to them how beauitful they are this book talked about their skin their hair and with all the explaining I did on a daily basis when they would come home from school I would than have to deprogram my child from what society had deem them to be which was all negative. Its very hurtful to see in this year 2007 that our Afro-american men will stand up for everything else except their women their still lost I watched that show on cnn with you and anderson cooper and the coments that were made by some of the callers that are men of color it was shameful I still dont understand what have we did as women of color to make the men of color feel so ashame to defend our honor. If this had happen to a group of white women every white man in America would have ran to their defense and alot of Afro-american men as well. I guess they have forgotten who their mothers are their sisters and their children its disgraceful, and with this been said I will remain divorce and single, I just like to thank you again for being the beauitful Afro-american man that you are and that you do have a platform to voice the views of our community and represent the male figure where we have none. God Bless

I don't claim rappers anymore than I claim drug dealers or Catholic priest child molesters. Those who provide a forum for these indviduals to operate are responsible, and when you throw money in the equation, some people will sell their own mothers, and we know they sell their kids. How can the average good minded person compete with that? For example, the Duke rape case. It is very obvious that the parents of those guys who raped the girl, be she a stripper or not, have paid her or someone dear to her off. They have convinced her that she is nothing and that she should take the money and run. They are turning to table to the point that the part never existed.

Mary Barnich and those who think like her,

You wanna talk about sense of humor? People who have been attacked for centuries AND CONTINUE TO BE ATTACKED TIL THIS VERY HOUR can not afford to have the "sense of humor" you speak of. You and others seem to want us to just take everything that comes our way, just to pacify the people who don't want us to take up for ourselves. We should just shut up because we annoy people like you. Please!

Are there other issues we should shout loud against other than Imus (i.e. Rap music)? YES! And some of us have. But the day we give in to "you people" (people [white or not]who want us to shut up and take everything lying down), is the day we undue everything our forefathers sacrificed for; every sit-in, every firehose and police/dog attack, every bombing and church fire, every burning cross, every beaten man, woman AND CHILD, everything they suffered would be in vain. For what? For a bunch of people like you who keep accusing us of being too sensitive? NEWSFLASH! Our whole history was made SENSITIVE, so don't go preaching about sensitivity when it does not apply here.

Nothing that Imus said about those women was funny, and I refuse, like many people here, to take it lightly. So "you people" can count on us standing up against this bull until we see change. Maybe you should join the cause because what you are doing has NEVER done us any good.

My brother found on the Web that back on March 31st, Russ Limbaugh called alleged Duke rape victim a "ho[ ]" on national radio
http://mediamatters.org/items/200604030004

I was just googling the feminist response when I came across your article, I checked all the sites too - and am angry. At first, I was annoyed with the NYT for primarily focusing on the racial comment, wondering where the outrage was over the "ho" remark - where was NOW? (A group who in the past has received monetary support from me, not anymore) I am sickened they have no comment, even feminist.org, nothing. I have been harping about this to anyone who will listen this whole week, as have many female friends, unfortunately our "leaders" have nothing to say. How dare they? Please know that some of us "white feminists" have been there with you from the start (of this one at least. )

The comments made by Mr. Imus were very ignorant, however we as blacks need to stop making racist and sexist comments toward one another AND towards other nationalities. If we are to condemn Imus, we must also boycott Snoop, Mystical, and a host of other rappers and personalities who make the same if not worse statements. I have yet to see a black comedy show that hasn't crucified the whites sprinkled throughout the audiences...I wish I had a nickel for everytime I heard a black person say that "white women are easy (sluts), or "if you want a women you can run over, get a white girl" (sisters)...white or black these types of comments are unacceptable. Something needs to be done and Imus must face the consequences of his actions, but let's stop the disrespect at the core, which unfortunately starts in our own communities as well as some of our own networks. When we disrespect our women, others feel it is appropriate to do so. I listen to urban radio shows every morning and I truly believe that us blacks may be just as racist as whites, if not more. Two wrongs have never made a right. This whole ordeal shows just how little progress this world is making...P.S. when was the last time you saw that many blacks on the Oprah Show?

Listening to Mike & Mike this morning and we have a lot of work to do. My comment to to Mike & Mike.

"I am a 55 year old black man and I met my great grandfather who was born into slavery and I insist that there is no place for those words. Big Mike is right. Some folks like Stewart Scott are going to people like Snoop for validation. Are you kidding? You don't insult people and that means anyone. It is common courtesy. What you are doing here is playing black folks against black folks without respecting the total black community. Would young Jews disrespect their parents on the air? No way, and that goes for other ethnic groups and so why black folks who have a terrible history in this country is an exception? Such misconceptions have allowed those who pull the trigger send these negativeness throughout the world. Taking the nasty power out of a word like nigger is a lame excuse for those who it don't touch. WE AS BLACK PEOPLE DO NOT USE THE "N" WORD FOR ENDEARMENT. SnoopDog! Please! Stop disrespecting us. "

So ok, there are exceptions, but please tell me how often do you hear the word "nigger" in your daily life among black people? Many white people are coming off as if this word is an essential part of our diet. That our elders are using the word in our churches, homes, and likewise. This is not true and people like Brother Roland need to use his power to get this straight. And to use Snoop, who has his own problems with the law and have made his living using the word; to use him as a reference to validate the use tells us that we have a major void.

I saw Roland on Paula Kahn tonight. He is right, it's not about Sharpton and Jackson, it's about what the main stream media and America will do from here. And unfortunately, it's nothing.
Paula's show reflected some sensible, common sense views. The PR person seemed offended by the suggestion that Sharpton represents African Americans somehow. Niger Iness called on Russel Simmons for the hyprocrite he is - to paraphrase - it's OK to say these things if it's black poetic expression (and I make billions from it). (I assume Niger Iness is some "Uncle Tom".)

But, Roland, you know it. This will all be yesterday's news when a new sensational story breaks, the Rutgers girl will be forgotten, never to be on Oprah again. At least Imus would have had them on his show, ad nauseum.

I agree, get those unions to pull their money out of these companies.
Do we really believe all these white media executives are offended by Imus's terrible, offensive comments. I don't. I can hear it now, at Saturday cocktails - "Wow, these blacks really carry some weight when they want to".

What about nationality? No one is talking about this! Black, African American, Colored who came up with those names? African American wait! I thought Africa was a continent, so where are you from in Africa? The problem is no one is saying anything new! We are educated now, but with a western mind state! Every peoples on the planet has a nationality, but African American, Blacks and so forth. Go to the United Nations and see if you can find those names. Reparation only nations and nationalitys receive reparations. Don`t beleive the hype of so called black leaders it`s not going down. As a nation of (MOORS) it can go down reparations! Martin Luther King got laws passed; he just wasn`t marching and saying "I Have A Dream." As (MOORS) we wore a fez or tabush which masons and shriners wear also, that came from us. We have been on these shores long before Columbus and slaveships arrived. Why does every so called black leader only talk about civilrights and slavery it`s got to be moor to us than that! When the European goes to Egpyt and looks on those walls they know we are GODS we don`t know. Imus knows who we are! Roland can you speak on nationality? From Dyson to Martin where waiting to here something new! Sean Hannity can`t debate with anyone with knowledge of self overstand! Google Noble Drew Ali 1928 Pan American Conference Havana, Cuba! Roland why not speak on this? Do a show on nationality on CNN or Radio. Getting Imus off the air won`t change the mind set of these people; we must present facts of who and what we are and the mind set will change for us and the whole planet. Hip Hop isn`t the ills for us; lack of knowledge of self. This is the point where so called black leaders have taken us with thier lack of knowledge. The only reason why this kind of hip hop is existing ,because of a lack of knowledge from this generation and from parents and so called black leaders!

I have always felt a station like WVON in Chicago, where I grew listening to, had an opportnity to be different from other talk shows and that they can educate and elevate the level of discussions. In doing so, I always felt that there whould be ground rules, as there are in sports, and that you don;t cross the lines.

In recent discussion regarding Imus, the term "double standard" have been used by many with the intent of deflecting from Imus remarks and shifting the blame elsewhere. To establish the game rules, we must first define what is "double stadard .

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
A double standard, according to the World Book Dictionary, is a standard applied more leniently to one group than to another. For example, the belief that it is permissible for teenage boys, but not teenage girls, to engage in premarital sex is a double standard. While double standards are generally condemned in the abstract, they are also very common.

When judicial processes are applied more strictly to some people more than others, such double standards are seen as unjust because they violate a basic maxim of modern legal jurisprudence, that all parties should stand equal before the law. Double standards also violate the principle of justice known as impartiality, which is based on the assumption that the same standards should be applied to all people, without regard to subjective bias or favoritism based on social class, rank, ethnicity, gender or other distinction. A double standard violates this principle by holding different people accountable according to different standards.

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(This letter is not in support of any political candidate. It is to make sure that the people of the United States are aware of what is being taught to the next generation; in hopes to overcome such barriers and continue our fight for equality and justice for ALL people of this Great Land. For over a week now, the learning of these types of sermons has brought sadness and stirred mixed feelings of anger in my heart. After prayer and deep thought I concluded that I must do what ever I can to help bring attention to this type of hatred, and to let people know there is ‘a better way’).
Webster dictionary, Racism; is hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
The people were all jumping around and praising the lord at the thought of hating the white people, and there were CHILDREN in the congregation that day during one of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s famous sermons. Not a very nice picture for a white man who attends a church of mixed races that teaches love in the name of our Lord to everyone no matter their skin color.
Dr Martin Luther King said that “we need not drink from the cup of bitterness and hatred”.
Hate is a cancer, and hate divides and has no justification.
What has become disturbing to me is not only were the people in the crowd excited about hating white people, but also their CHILDREN were present. If the people praise hate at church then they most likely teach it at home. All this time I have stood for equality, while their children are being taught to hate my children. This threatens my family’s safety. It shatters our feelings of comfort in our surroundings. The teaching that went on in Senator Obama's church was the teachings of hate and division. Senator Obama had a choice along time ago to choose a different church, but choose to stay and subject his children to such teachings. Instead of routing out hate Senator Obama has made excuse for it and feeds it into the next generation, by allowing his children and other children to be subjected to such a display of hatred toward other people because of their skin color.
Babies are not born prejudiced, but children are taught it. We teach by example and perception, words do matter as they form preferences. As long as hate is passed down from fathers to sons, mothers to daughters we will have prejudice. Whether it be prejudice against the White, Black, Native American, Hispanic or Asian what ever the skin color.
I am a white 45 year old man with four children that I have taught to be Christians and love thy neighbor no matter their skin color for it simply is not an issue with us. It seems to be a very big issue with Obama’s church as they danced around praising the hate of white people in front of their CHILDREN.
Most men my age are proud to be Americans, and do not want to hear a pastor pushing hate like that, while we are attempting to raise our children in love and kindness. I kind of think it is or should be a form of child abuse. Actually I feel when someone summits to hate it weakens the entire race and existence of man kind. Hate in my home is considered swearing, and the feeling of hate is discouraged.
I can not support Senator Obama after this. The risk is just too high. Our eyes must be awakened to what we are teaching our youth. The effects of these teachings on society can not be measured because of the people not knowing of there presence and just how close to home these teachings actually are. Especially when a United States Senator and contender for the Presidency of the United States is a part of, or has been a part of a ministry with this type of racial doctrine.
Hatred being taught in cities like Chicago, or even New York City could be a contributing factor in the high levels of gang activity. Someone may have already died from such teachings. After being taught all your life to hate a certain race can only lead to further violence. Something must be done about this; there must be ‘a better way’.
A signal has to be sent that this type of teaching's and division can not go on. You can not be the President of the United States and also be a part of such bashing of man kind no matter his/her skin color. Supporting Senator Obama after this would show support for such hate teachings and the divisions that are direct result of these teachings (teaching hatred of a race to CHILDREN).
Senator Obama should be able to see that it was in poor judgment to belong to a church who preaches hatred within the human race, much more to stay a part of that church for 20 years. I feel for America, and all the work that we Americans have done and continue to do, to break down these racial divides. It is shocking to find out that here in America hate is being preached behind the doors and in the house of the Lord.
I feel that it is now time for Senator Obama to step down from public office. He still has the ability to do a lot of good things in the private sector if he so chose’s. He was a part of this type of teaching, for far too long; to just simply state that he did not follow his churches ways. Actions and reactions speak in volumes much louder then speeches do.
I certainly wish I would have had this knowledge before the primaries came through my state on Super Tuesday. Thank you for your time and please feel free to e-mail me if you wish at jimmy_sanborn2000@yahoo.com
The right kind of change we need now and in this situation would be teaching our children that there is ‘a better way’. Thank You, Jimmy Sanborn

You can see this sermon and others like it at www.youtube.com Titled Jeremiah Wright-Hillary Clinton ain’t never been called.