Clinton camp wrong to play the gender card

You know I really thought that was a interesting piece Roland. I thought for once you were actually on. However, I felt that you forget your previous articles where you do exactly the same thing you accuse the Hillary camp of doing. Just go back and read them and maybe the irony will strike you especially the line:

“You want the job, earn it. Go through the fire like the men. But don’t try to play the victim. It’s unbecoming of a commander-in-chief.”

This is exactly the way most of us feel about affirmative action but you hide behind your crutch and obviously want to perpetuate the system. If I were a black man I would not want Affirmative Action because you never really know if you earned a position or they are just filling a quota.

You talk of them playing the “gender card” when you play the “race card” every article. Lets just go back to the sermon you gave about the Jena 6. Not to mention on your website you still have support for their legal fund and after the questionable information about the person who started that fight. Not to mention just because they didn’t kill that boy doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do time for such a cowardly, wannabe gangsta attack.

Anyway as much as I liked the article you kind of come off as a joke trying to have it both ways. You can’t call her out when you are just as guilty.

You are right in pointing out that this is a double standard. Yet you perpetuate this very thing with a race obsessed and completely biased view of everything that happens in the “black” community. Instead of looking at people and instances as individual acts by individuals, if it involves someone who is black then every exception must be made to accomodate an excuse for their actions. Every success is a triumph over racism, and every failure is because of racism.
Recently in Minneapolis a “white” man was beaten to death by a “black” man with a baseball bat. He was left on the sidewalk to die. Was there a protest, a Rainbow Coalition parade, a public outrage, hell no, it is viewed as an indivudual who committed murder. Yet I know damn well that if the colors were reversed and a white man killed a black man in the same manner in the same neighborhood there would be protest and a call for action. Your hypocrisy as a community and a culture needs to be addressed, that is the first step to any commentary on fairness.

Hi, I will keep this short.

I thought your opinion of Senator’s Clinton’s “camp” was off-the-mark, and I stand firm by my opinion because I believe you to be un-qualified to make any comments about the “playing of a gender card” in regards to a woman’s experience in the modern world.

I am a woman and I my mother is black. I have experienced both sex-ism and race-ism in the work place and out of it. Similarly, I have also had experiences with individuals who were neither sex-ist nor race-ist.

My point is this: since you would find it inappropriate for a “white” person to write an article claiming that a black person should “earn” their position in life rather than “play the race card”, I find it inappropriate for a man to make the same comment about a woman, in regards her gender.

So I am asking that you refrain from the comments as they are, at best, out of your league of experience, and hence, on this topic, you are not a good source of intelligent opinion.

And the last thing Americans need right now is another personality commenting on things for which they have no legitimate reference points of experience, simply as a move to advance forward on their career path.

However, what I would like you to do is to host a panel of successful women, and have them expound upon their experiences (good and bad) on thier way to the top of their careers. I think you, your audience, and myself would find that truly enlightening.

Are there any real stories you can cover in this world besides petty talk about Hilary Clinton? Yeah we saw the debate and it was obvious they were attaching her because she is ahead in the poles. I’m so tired of American politics and our asinine media and frankly the ignorant/naive citizens you play to. Please, give us some news that is thoughtful, intelligent, perhaps enlightening with value and substance. I sometimes get the feeling that the majority of the world is populated with adults whose minds are like children that still believe in fairy tales and Santa Claus. I guess that would explain religion.

You just threw Clinton into the sexist ring with your statement to “go through the fire like the men” – rather than just “go through the fire”.

Since you are not familiar with heavily researched gender documents in this and the last century, I don’t believe you are qualified to accuse anyone of playing any ‘card’, especially the ‘gender card’. You are not informed at all. Yet you, sitting in your BLACK ivory tower, feel qualified to pass judgement on women in the political arena. How is that?

Mr. Martin, I completely agree with this post. I think you’re right on. Hillary is a brilliant politician, there’s no doubt about that. She IS playing the gender card, shamefully, also no doubt about that.

It troubles me that any criticism of Hillary is labeled as sexism. She’s running for president, for god’s sake! Just wait – if she actually gets the nomination (which she very well may NOT, as her current “lead” seems to me to be based on biased media reports and national opinion polls with error margins too embarassing to mention) it will only get “worse” for her. She’ll have to endure scrutiny of her personal life, her past, etc. Will she continue to play the gender card then?

I would personally LOVE to have a woman as President. Not Mrs. Clinton, though. really don’t trust her, or anyone other democrat who has consistently supported Bush’s policies. Besides, the prospect of electing another rich, white elitist with a past to protect seems dangerous to me, regardless of her gender.

As for the other opinions – I feel compelled to say that I read all of Mr. Martin’s posts. Often I do not agree. Often I am troubled by his third-person references to himself. Often I think he slips & makes naive statements. Take, for instance, his assertion in this post that none of the candidates are racist…I think racism is basically a requirement for the Republican nomination (I’m kidding, of course…sort of), and on the donkey side, Joe Biden made some perplexing comments about Obama last winter that smelled an awful lot like latent racism.

But I do NOT think that Mr. Martin writes from an ethnocentric point of view. He does NOT rush to defend black people who embarass us all, and I’ve yet to see him play the race card out of order.

This may not be the most insightful post ever, but I’m glad someone expressed this idea for the world to see.

Oh, and Inez…

Come on girl!!! So you’re saying that because Mr. Martin is a man, he is unqualified to comment on a woman’s presidential campaign or the playing of the gender card? Can I assume then, that you’d say the same about a man who expressed a supportive point of view?

See – that’s what really troubles me…we are looking at the prospect of electing someone to our highest office who has a troubling record of secrecy and hypocrisy…but for us to criticize her makes us sexist? That’s a ridiculous and irresponsible notion.

You wrote:
And the last thing Americans need right now is another personality commenting on things for which they have no legitimate reference points of experience, simply as a move to advance forward on their career path.

That’s sort of how I feel about Clinton’s courting of the black vote…She is the last thing we need…I wish her supporters would stop romanticizing the idea of a female president and look for the BEST candidate.

It’s Obama, by the way…

JudgeThis –

That is a good observation of Mr. Rolands works. Might I interject for a minute if you don’t mind. You have two, “so called” physically noticeable minorities in this race. As I understand it, Hillary is playing the gender card but Barak is not playing the race card which is smart on his behalf because he sees himself as being a combination of two races just as many other bi-racial people out there however anglo-americans classify bi-racial of African and European descent, Black. I am sure Barak would love to be like Tiger Woods and be classified as what he really is but in the end he will be known in this country as Black. Just as anglos in the media harp on the fact that Hillary is a woman they harp on the fact that Barak is Black, accentuating our differences keeping us focused on things that should not matter in this case. (Ever heard of the phrase divide and conquer)Like I said in a previous post, certain wealthy and powerful individuals cannot have cohesion in the world because it division is so much more profitable. A lot of wealthy people in the past acquired their wealth off the backs of Blacks and to continue the trend they had to exaggerate the differences between the races and as a result they profited off division. Their children expanded their riches and make claims that they had nothing to do with degredation of Black people and that they have not problems with Black people (as long as too many of them don’t move into their neighborhoods) I believe that Hillary has a good chance of becoming president because she is a part of the same secret society as the rest of the past few presidents and the secrets and shadyness associated with her is a prerequisite in the political world. If you don’t have no dirt on you, when they get mad they can’t get anything on you unless they make it up and truth is stranger than fiction. One thing I didn’t like is when they (Hillary and Barak) went to Selma Alabama to speak at some churches, their accents changed when speaking to the congregations as if they had this “southern pastor” drawl. To me that is patronizing to the people of the chuch and insulting.

I think the grilling of Hillary had more to do with her evading questions than it did with her gender. Why else would Obama stand up today in Iowa and say how he was going to refuse to play the political game and start making himself known instead. It may or may not backfire on him, but it’s in response to Hillary saying a lot of nothing.

There’s an excellent article on TheNation.com today about this topic. It focuses on how men have always played their gender cards…it’s well-written and very interesting and made me rethink my attitude a bit…

Realistic Man-

I am not sure what reality you are living in but your bias even blinds you of those who are making some attempt, no matter how poorly, of trying to help and promote positive accomplishments of blacks and other minorities. The “anglo” (bigot) media is made up very predominently of liberal people who do everything they can to broadcast whatever cause of injustice happens in the black community. The injustices in the “Jena” incident would have gone completely unheard if it were not for the media being all over it. Their reporting was clearly on the side of the black students in many ways, how you see this as some conspiracy against blacks is puzzling. As for “certain wealthy” people that are trying to divide us, who are these people, name some of them, what companies are they running, whom are they so injustly exploiting, bringing this out in the open would, I am sure, be of interest to Roland Martin and others. “These wealthy peoples children are carrying on this exploitation,” interesting, who are they? In case you are confused when the Civil War was over the south was thoroughly dessimated and the racists that had wealth there didn’t any longer. Those who were the wealthy barons that came after and did clearly exploit people for their wealth exploited everyone for their cause. White immigrants, black former slaves, Chinese, and anyone were put to work in horrible conditions for these people, that is reality. You lend your opinion too far into, a gee we need simpathy, that doesn’t wash. You want exploited, I can point to dozens of countries around the world whose people are under deplorable conditions, and most of those countries are not run by whites. The exploited are of every color.
One other reality check for you. In todays America money is king (like it is everywhere) and corporations do not discriminate at the expense of profit. Greed will win that argument everytime. Corporations don’t care what they sell and to whom, they only care about selling, and if they dupe millions in the process so be it. To exclude a group would be counter productive. You feel your job is one of exploitation? then find another job. There are plenty of wealthy blacks running strong profitable companies, go work for them.
The acts of individuals, their prejudices, does not damn everyone else of their same color. Blacks look at white people as if we were all the same, like robots. I assure you, I, as a white american do not look at the world nor hold the same cultural values as someone from France, or Sweden, Russia, or Bulgaria. Do not throw everyone of some color (very shallow thinking by the way) off the cliff because of the actions of a few.
Some more news for you. Most people globally are far too concerned with making their own lives work out then to spend it conspiring against anyone else. Blame and pity are for losers I doubt you are one, but stop speaking like it.

Will A-

I am really appreciative of you for enganging me on this topic. I will say that it is extremely non-existent off-line to find an anglo who is willing to talk about these issues face to face. They get really uncomfortable and just would rather leave the topic alone because, if you don’t talk about the 800lb gorilla in the room, maybe it does not exist. If you have done your research on me, Realistic Man from the other posts on this site you would have found that I like to (just as in court) provide facts to back up what I am saying from the present and from history. At times some of what I am saying is difficult to back up with facts that would appease someone like you because like I told you a bit ago, the gorilla is better left ignored in your reality. I say things that other people of African descent think but may not say because of what ever reason. Just as some of your Anglo commentaries on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Glenn Beck, Nancy Grace, Larry King, etc. etc. go public with their feelings on various American and world topics every night and say whats on their minds with out fear of reprisals, death threats etc., the only forum that people of African descent or better yet of Native American descent are secluded to are blogs, and short wave radio. Hell, if one of them with the balls to tell the truth publicly get a prime time spot and the country gets to hear exactly how we feel daily and not just on a “in studio guest” time limited basis, it will be a cold day in hell. I bet right now Will A you are saying “that is trivial and unimportant”. Will A, you threw the ole conspiracy stone at me. Wow, I didn’t see that one coming….. Anything that an individual cannot confirm because it has not been made public by our government or if societys over all concensus of a topic leans in an alternative direction your lable the individual and a conspiry theorist. Next Will A you will tell me that we are alone in the universe. Anglos like the word conspiracy because anything they want to devalue as fact can just be labled conspiracy and it makes people feel like maybe they don’t see the 800lb gorilla in the room.
Obviously you and history Will A, are not seeing eye to eye. Knowledgeable people know of the 5 wealthy families as well as the secret societies in Amercia and there influence on our country’s direction but let me guess Will A, that is a conspiracy theory as well? They don’t really exist, they probably just a couple of guys getting together to hail the “grand pubaa” and go bowling huh. When it comes to reality Will A, mine is based on facts, what is yours based on???????????????????????
Will A, YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, You deny what is right before your eyes because you will never have to walk in the shoes of an African American. (Isn’t that comforting?)
Will A I am going to go easy on you right now because I know that you may not have conversed with a brotha who knows history and the present and is not afraid to use it. Now if you choose to engage me with conversation I ask that you don’t behave in typical fashion and deny the truth. There are many sides to a story and most of people of African descent and Native American’s have not told their story to the country. Our stories have been told by Anglos and we all know that Anglos don’t always tell the truth, now don’t we Will A…… You say don’t lump all of you into one catagory. I can plainly understand that not all anglos are guilty of these actions however in Africa when anglos speak of the actions of a few Africans they speak in the same manner because of the sheer numbers of Africans there, they are the majority on the continent. I am not credulous by no means to the contributions of anglos in the African American holocaust. People of African descent encounter anglos in every aspect of our lives we cannot shut them out. On the other hand anglos can shut us out. They can retreat to their anglo exclusive communities, country clubs and watch tv shows where we may be in the background as a door man, passerby, bartender, janitor etc. or better yet no where to be seen at all. Will A Do you believe that it is just for people of African descent to have to encounter anglos and wonder whether they will have a positive encounter or a negative one. (You don’t even understand the question do you?) The reason you may not understand the question is because you don’t experience what we do. We look at you all the same because the face of racism is anglo, the face of greed is anglo, the face of war is anglo, the face of thieves is anglo, the face of wealth is anglo, hell, the face of cover girl is anglo are you seeing the pattern???????? I like how when we speak of injustices towards African American, Native American or even Asians, anglos want to start being specifc with their ancestry such as: “I am Belgium, I am Scottish, I am German”, I got Indian in my family”, but when the benefits of being anglo are doled out you don’t hear anything remotely pertaining to any of their differences. Look Will A, I don’t blame you, anyone in the anglo’s position may possibly behave in the same manner. No one wants to be ostracized by a community in a whole. As a matter a FACT, Jane Elliott conducted an experiment back in 1968 called Blue Eyes/Brown eyes. You can look it up in Google Will A, but I don’t think you will like what you read or the actual video. I have the video and it is very interesting that she would conclude what she has concluded about her own people. That’s probably why her parents business was shut down and her kids abused by their peers as a result of her experiment. She is a good example of an Anglo who stood up for justice in America pertaining to people of African descent and she paid dearly for it. She exposed anglos to African American ‘REALITY” and her fellow anglos couldn’t handle it in her town,so they behaved in a typical manner, they ostracized her, her family and even threw in a little violence. If you dare to purchase the dvd on this experiment I believe this will enlighten you to a fair and effective example of African American reality. Truth be told, many anglos don’t want things to change because they don’t see their behaviour as a problem. Fact: African Americans don’t have a problem living under anglo rules in America as long as it is fair, but ……………..can anglos live under African American rule in America??????????????? I think we all know the answer to that. You wanna see what African Americans see in America multiplied by 10???? Replace all anglos in politics with African Americans and watch how anglos react in this country. Power, Money, Greed, Superiority, World Domination was and still is not the goal of people of African descent, never has been, never will be.
Remember the show Black/White on the Bravo channel last year. The Anglo male (the father) who was painted brown really couldn’t understand what it was like being black, even as he was experiencing subtle forms of racism. He would brush it off as if it was just an individual response. Now, if they would have taking him through some Anglo areas where he would really get a “lesson” in prejudice he may have had a better understanding of what we experience. Ask black folk in the south what they experience their entire life. Now that I think of it, no one bothers to inquire about life in America from our point of view as far a experience is concerned (televised) Why do I say that? Well let’s go to the example. One we are all familiar with…….. Jena, LA. I am refraining from calling them the Jena 6 because it is a label created in order not to not view them individually(

Oh and just to clarify Will A, the attention that Jena, LA received was not because of anglo media, black radio stations picked up the ball on that one, specifically, the Michael Baisden show and many other Radio 1(largest black radio entity) stations. Contrary to popular belief, African Americans don’t need anglo media to be made aware of our injustices and to rally together.

Ok now back to what I was saying, everyone who argues against the brothas say that they were wrong to jump the anglo boy, right, and they should go to jail? OK. I believe that CNN covered most of the facts relating to the situation one night. They came the closest to revealing the atmosphere in which these citizens of this great nation live. The 6 brothas in Jena faced alot of psychological as well as physical barriers in that town. The environment in which they lived was a pychologically hostile environment for them to live and the hanging of the nooses was proof that the mindsets of the anglo adults in that town has passed down to the children. I am sure that, (even though I cannot prove it), that those boys talked to their parents prior to doin what they did and I am willing to bet that their parents explained to them how they kept their “ni**ers” in check in the past and they will be equally as in check if they were to do it today. To put the fear in them if you will. You don’t like this kind of talk do you Will A? My reality is a mutha…..isn’t it. You will never experience my reality in this life time so you can reply to it as you do. Even if you were in Africa you would not receive the treatment from Africans that African Americans receive from Anglos in America, suble or overt. Hmmmmmmmmmmm……. ironic isn’t it.

Blue pill/Red pill……………………your choice.

Well a few so called supreme judges elected the president in recent history, i’m not surprised. America is drifting awy from democracy. We have mainly self serving policticans.

Realistic man-

So your response to me is a lot of words that say nothing, other than pointing out that you are a blatant racist with preconcieved ideas of what people are, how they think and what they wish and don’t wish based on their skin color.
You’re shallow, you give the classic black man argument, “you don’t know where I’m coming from” line of b.s. yet seem not only to believe you know what I am thinking but even attempt to tell me what it is I want to say and not say. Bigot anyone, I give you reality man.
You wake up every morning convinced you are being suppressed by racism, whether you leave the house or not. There will always be racism as long as people like yourself are alive, convinced of something real or not.
Treatment?, clearly in your mind if someone is not actively kissing your ass, they are a racisit, you’re brilliant.
I am sure you demand respect yet you cry for pity in nearly every line you write. Feel sorry for yourself all you want, it will get you know where.

Will A – AMEN!!

Realistic Man is a bunch of mumbo jumbo jiberish.

He says he is a successful businessman. I have asked in what business. He does not reply. He writes as though he has a 10th grade education. Or maybe has attended Rev Roland’s correspondence school.

I have asked him how he defines Anglos. He has not.

Hot air, brings nothing worthwhile to any conversation. He isn’t worth getting into a discussion with.

I couldn’t understand some parts of this article Clinton camp wrong to play the gender card, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.

180 billion to AIG does that not work out to 2 million a yr to every citizen in the united states as far as pay out money ? For the next 50 years 2 million dollars gee that might help people not just AIG .