White anti-racist educator Tim Wise drops it!

03/24/2008 6:39 am 97 comments

Folks, I love talking to folks from various backgrounds – conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat – and Tim Wise is one of them.

We first met when we did a show in Beaumont, Texas, on racism when Paula Zahn had her show on CNN.

I’m going to be posting audio of our discussion from my radio show later today, but here is some of his column on the Obama-Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy that is brilliant.

Of National Lies and Racial Amnesia: Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama, and the Audacity of Truth

By Tim Wise

March 18, 2008

For most white folks, indignation just doesn’t wear well. Once affected or conjured up, it reminds one of a pudgy man, wearing a tie that may well have fit him when he was fifty pounds lighter, but which now cuts off somewhere above his navel and makes him look like an idiot.

Indignation doesn’t work for most whites, because having remained sanguine about, silent during, indeed often supportive of so much injustice over the years in this country–the theft of native land and genocide of indigenous persons, and the enslavement of Africans being only two of the best examples–we are just a bit late to get into the game of moral rectitude. And once we enter it, our efforts at righteousness tend to fail the test of sincerity.

But here we are, in 2008, fuming at the words of Pastor Jeremiah Wright, of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago–occasionally Barack Obama’s pastor, and the man whom Obama credits with having brought him to Christianity–for merely reminding us of those evils about which we have remained so quiet, so dismissive, so unconcerned. It is not the crime that bothers us, but the remembrance of it, the unwillingness to let it go–these last words being the first ones uttered by most whites it seems whenever anyone, least of all an “angry black man” like Jeremiah Wright, foists upon us the bill of particulars for several centuries of white supremacy.

But our collective indignation, no matter how loudly we announce it, cannot drown out the truth. And as much as white America may not be able to hear it (and as much as politics may require Obama to condemn it) let us be clear, Jeremiah Wright fundamentally told the truth.

Oh I know that for some such a comment will seem shocking. After all, didn’t he say that America “got what it deserved” on 9/11? And didn’t he say that black people should be singing “God Damn America” because of its treatment of the African American community throughout the years?

Well actually, no he didn’t.

Wright said not that the attacks of September 11th were justified, but that they were, in effect, predictable. Deploying the imagery of chickens coming home to roost is not to give thanks for the return of the poultry or to endorse such feathered homecoming as a positive good; rather, it is merely to note two things: first, that what goes around, indeed, comes around–a notion with longstanding theological grounding–and secondly, that the U.S. has indeed engaged in more than enough violence against innocent people to make it just a tad bit hypocritical for us to then evince shock and outrage about an attack on ourselves, as if the latter were unprecedented.

He noted that we killed far more people, far more innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki than were killed on 9/11 and “never batted an eye.” That this statement is true is inarguable, at least amongst sane people. He is correct on the math, he is correct on the innocence of the dead (neither city was a military target), and he is most definitely correct on the lack of remorse or even self-doubt about the act: sixty-plus years later most Americans still believe those attacks were justified, that they were needed to end the war and “save American lives.”

But not only does such a calculus suggest that American lives are inherently worth more than the lives of Japanese civilians (or, one supposes, Vietnamese, Iraqi or Afghan civilians too), but it also ignores the long-declassified documents, and President Truman’s own war diaries, all of which indicate clearly that Japan had already signaled its desire to end the war, and that we knew they were going to surrender, even without the dropping of atomic weapons. The conclusion to which these truths then attest is simple, both in its basic veracity and it monstrousness: namely, that in those places we committed premeditated and deliberate mass murder, with no justification whatsoever; and yet for saying that I will receive more hate mail, more hostility, more dismissive and contemptuous responses than will those who suggest that no body count is too high when we’re the ones doing the killing. Jeremiah Wright becomes a pariah, because, you see, we much prefer the logic of George Bush the First, who once said that as President he would “never apologize for the United States of America. I don’t care what the facts are.”

And Wright didn’t say blacks should be singing “God Damn America.” He was suggesting that blacks owe little moral allegiance to a nation that has treated so many of them for so long as animals, as persons undeserving of dignity and respect, and which even now locks up hundreds of thousands of non-violent offenders (especially for drug possession), even while whites who do the same crimes (and according to the data, when it comes to drugs, more often in fact), are walking around free. His reference to God in that sermon was more about what God will do to such a nation, than it was about what should or shouldn’t happen. It was a comment derived from, and fully in keeping with, the black prophetic tradition, and although one can surely disagree with the theology (I do, actually, and don’t believe that any God either blesses or condemns nation states for their actions), the statement itself was no call for blacks to turn on America. If anything, it was a demand that America earn the respect of black people, something the evidence and history suggests it has yet to do.

Finally, although one can certainly disagree with Wright about his suggestion that the government created AIDS to get rid of black folks–and I do, for instance–it is worth pointing out that Wright isn’t the only one who has said this. In fact, none other than Bill Cosby (oh yes, that Bill Cosby, the one white folks love because of his recent moral crusade against the black poor) proffered his belief in the very same thing back in the early ’90s in an interview on CNN, when he said that AIDS may well have been created to get rid of people whom the government deemed “undesirable” including gays and racial minorities.So that’s the truth of the matter: Wright made one comment that is highly arguable, but which has also been voiced by white America’s favorite black man, another that was horribly misinterpreted and stripped of all context, and then another that was demonstrably accurate. And for this, he is pilloried and made into a virtual enemy of the state; for this, Barack Obama may lose the support of just enough white folks to cost him the Democratic nomination, and/or the Presidency; all of it, because Jeremiah Wright, unlike most preachers opted for truth. If he had been one of those “prosperity ministers” who says Jesus wants nothing so much as for you to be rich, like Joel Osteen, that would have been fine. Had he been a retread bigot like Falwell was, or Pat Robertson is, he might have been criticized, but he would have remained in good standing and surely not have damaged a Presidential candidate in this way. But unlike Osteen, and Falwell, and Robertson, Jeremiah Wright refused to feed his parishioners lies.What Jeremiah Wright knows, and told his flock–though make no mistake, they already knew it–is that 9/11 was neither the first, nor worst act of terrorism on American soil. The history of this nation for folks of color, was for generations, nothing less than an intergenerational hate crime, one in which 9/11s were woven into the fabric of everyday life: hundreds of thousands of the enslaved who died from the conditions of their bondage; thousands more who were lynched (as many as 10,000 in the first few years after the Civil War, according to testimony in the Congressional Record at the time); millions of indigenous persons wiped off the face of the Earth. No, to some, the horror of 9/11 was not new. To some it was not on that day that “everything changed.” To some, everything changed four hundred years ago, when that first ship landed at what would become Jamestown. To some, everything changed when their ancestors were forced into the hulls of slave ships at Goree Island and brought to a strange land as chattel. To some, everything changed when they were run out of Northern Mexico, only to watch it become the Southwest United States, thanks to a war of annihilation initiated by the U.S. government. To some, being on the receiving end of terrorism has been a way of life. Until recently it was absolutely normal in fact.But white folks have a hard time hearing these simple truths. We find it almost impossible to listen to an alternative version of reality. Indeed, what seems to bother white people more than anything, whether in the recent episode, or at any other time, is being confronted with the recognition that black people do not, by and large, see the world like we do; that black people, by and large, do not view America as white people view it. We are, in fact, shocked that this should be so, having come to believe, apparently, that the falsehoods to which we cling like a kidney patient clings to a dialysis machine, are equally shared by our darker-skinned compatriots.This is what James Baldwin was talking about in his classic 1972 work, No Name in the Street, wherein he noted:

“White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded–about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac.” 

And so we were shocked in 1987, when Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall declined to celebrate the bicentennial of the Constitution, because, as he noted, most of that history had been one of overt racism and injustice, and to his way of thinking, the only history worth celebrating had been that of the past three or four decades.We were shocked to learn that black people actually believed that a white cop who was a documented racist might frame a black man; and we’re shocked to learn that lots of black folks still perceive the U.S. as a racist nation–we’re literally stunned that people who say they experience discrimination regularly (and who have the social science research to back them up) actually think that those experiences and that data might actually say something about the nation in which they reside. Imagine.Whites are easily shocked by what we see and hear from Pastor Wright and Trinity Church, because what we see and hear so thoroughly challenges our understanding of who we are as a nation. But black people have never, for the most part, believed in the imagery of the “shining city on a hill,” for they have never had the option of looking at their nation and ignoring the mountain-sized warts still dotting its face when it comes to race. Black people do not, in the main, get misty eyed at the sight of the flag the way white people do–and this is true even for millions of black veterans–for they understand that the nation for whom that flag waves is still not fully committed to their own equality. They have a harder time singing those tunes that white people seem so eager to belt out, like “God Bless America,” for they know that whites sang those words loudly and proudly even as they were enforcing Jim Crow segregation, rioting against blacks who dared move into previously white neighborhoods, throwing rocks at Dr. King and then cheering, as so many did, when they heard the news that he had been assassinated.Whites refuse to remember (or perhaps have never learned) that which black folks cannot afford to forget. I’ve seen white people stunned to the point of paralysis when they learn the truth about lynchings in this country–when they discover that such events were not just a couple of good old boys with a truck and a rope hauling some black guy out to the tree, hanging him, and letting him swing there. They were never told the truth: that lynchings were often community events, advertised in papers as “Negro Barbecues,” involving hundreds or even thousands of whites, who would join in the fun, eat chicken salad and drink sweet tea, all while the black victims of their depravity were being hung, then shot, then burned, and then having their body parts cut off, to be handed out to onlookers. They are stunned to learn that postcards of the events were traded as souvenirs, and that very few whites, including members of their own families did or said anything to stop it.Rather than knowing about and confronting the ugliness of our past, whites take steps to excise the less flattering aspects of our history so that we need not be bothered with them. So, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for example, site of an orgy of violence against the black community in 1921, city officials literally went into the town library and removed all reference to the mass killings in the Greenwood district from the papers with a razor blade–an excising of truth and an assault on memory that would remain unchanged for over seventy years.Most white people desire, or perhaps even require the propagation of lies when it comes to our history. Surely we prefer the lies to anything resembling, even remotely, the truth. Our version of history, of our national past, simply cannot allow for the intrusion of fact into a worldview so thoroughly identified with fiction. But that white version of America is not only extraordinarily incomplete, in that it so favors the white experience to the exclusion of others; it is more than that; it is actually a slap in the face to people of color, a re-injury, a reminder that they are essentially irrelevant, their concerns trivial, their lives unworthy of being taken seriously. In that sense, and what few if any white Americans appear capable of grasping at present, is that “Leave it Beaver” and “Father Knows Best,” portray an America so divorced from the reality of the times in which they were produced, as to raise serious questions about the sanity of those who found them so moving, so accurate, so real. These iconographic representations of life in the U.S. are worse than selective, worse than false, they are assaults to the humanity and memory of black people, who were being savagely oppressed even as June Cleaver did housework in heels and laughed about the hilarious hijinks of Beaver and Larry Mondello.These portraits of America are certifiable evidence of how disconnected white folks were–and to the extent we still love them and view them as representations of the “good old days” to which we wish we could return, still are–from those men and women of color with whom we have long shared a nation. Just two months before “Leave it to Beaver” debuted, proposed civil rights legislation was killed thanks to Strom Thurmond’s 24-hour filibuster speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate. One month prior, Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus called out the National Guard to block black students from entering Little Rock Central High; and nine days before America was introduced to the Cleavers, and the comforting image of national life they represented, those black students were finally allowed to enter, amid the screams of enraged, unhinged, viciously bigoted white people, who saw nothing wrong with calling children niggers in front of cameras. That was America of the 1950s: not the sanitized version into which so many escape thanks to the miracle of syndication, which merely allows white people to relive a lie, year after year after year.No, it is not the pastor who distorts history; Nick at Nite and your teenager’s textbooks do that. It is not he who casts aspersions upon “this great country” as Barack Obama put it in his public denunciations of him; it is the historic leadership of the nation that has cast aspersions upon it; it is they who have cheapened it, who have made gaudy and vile the promise of American democracy by defiling it with lies. They engage in a patriotism that is pathological in its implications, that asks of those who adhere to it not merely a love of country but the turning of one’s nation into an idol to be worshipped, it not literally, then at least in terms of consequence.It is they–the flag-lapel-pin wearing leaders of this land–who bring shame to the country with their nonsensical suggestions that we are always noble in warfare, always well-intended, and although we occasionally make mistakes, we are never the ones to blame for anything. Nothing that happens to us has anything to do with us at all. It is always about them. They are evil, crazy, fanatical, hate our freedoms, and are jealous of our prosperity. When individuals prattle on in this manner we diagnose them as narcissistic, as deluded. When nations do it–when our nation does–we celebrate it as though it were the very model of rational and informed citizenship.So what can we say about a nation that values lies more than it loves truth? A place where adherence to sincerely believed and internalized fictions allows one to rise to the highest offices in the land, and to earn the respect of millions, while a willingness to challenge those fictions and offer a more accurate counter-narrative earns one nothing but contempt, derision, indeed outright hatred? What we can say is that such a place is signing its own death warrant. What we can say is that such a place is missing the only and last opportunity it may ever have to make things right, to live up to its professed ideals. What we can say is that such a place can never move forward, because we have yet to fully address and come to terms with that which lay behind.What can we say about a nation where white preachers can lie every week from their pulpits without so much as having to worry that their lies might be noticed by the shiny white faces in their pews, while black preachers who tell one after another essential truth are demonized, not only for the stridency of their tone–which needless to say scares white folks, who have long preferred a style of praise and worship resembling nothing so much as a coma–but for merely calling bullshit on those whose lies are swallowed whole?And oh yes, I said it: white preachers lie. In fact, they lie with a skill, fluidity, and precision unparalleled in the history of either preaching or lying, both of which histories stretch back a ways and have often overlapped. They lie every Sunday, as they talk about a Savior they have chosen to represent dishonestly as a white man, in every picture to be found of him in their tabernacles, every children’s story book in their Sunday Schools, every Christmas card they’ll send to relatives and friends this December. But to lie about Jesus, about the one they consider God–to bear false witness as to who this man was and what he looked like–is no cause for concern.Nor is it a problem for these preachers to teach and preach that those who don’t believe as they believe are going to hell. Despite the fact that such a belief casts aspersions upon God that are so profound as to defy belief–after all, they imply that God is so fundamentally evil that he would burn non-believers in a lake of eternal fire–many of the white folks who now condemn Jeremiah Wright welcome that theology of hate. Indeed, back when President Bush was the Governor of Texas, he endorsed this kind of thinking, responding to a question about whether Jews were going to go to hell, by saying that unless one accepted Jesus as one’s personal savior, the Bible made it pretty clear that indeed, hell was where you’d be heading.So you can curse God in this way–and to imply such hate on God’s part is surely to curse him–and in effect, curse those who aren’t Christians, and no one says anything. That isn’t considered bigoted. That isn’t considered beyond the pale of polite society. One is not disqualified from becoming President in the minds of millions because they go to a church that says that shit every single week, or because they believe it themselves. And millions do believe it, and see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.So white folks are mad at Jeremiah Wright because he challenges their views about their country. Meanwhile, those same white folks, and their ministers and priests, every week put forth a false image of the God Jeremiah Wright serves, and yet it is whites who feel we have the right to be offended.Pardon me, but something is wrong here, and whatever it is, is not to be found at Trinity United Church of Christ.Tim Wise is the author of: White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son (Soft Skull Press, 2005), and Affirmative Action: Racial Preference in Black and White (Routledge: 2005). He can be reached at: timjwise@msn.com

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  • Dan

    The issue of Race of an uncomfortable subject for White American. What is troubling, is White America is attempting to discuss this issue amongst themselves, with no respresentation from the Black Community. It appears, again, White America is trying to frame and defined an issue that requires more. White American controls the media, talk radio and the newspapers. We Black Folks, do have a Lou Dobbs, or a Sean Hannity, or a Bill O’Reilly, and others that have their faces on our TV screen during the premium hours of the day, saying things and shaping an issue to their reality. I do not think any of these commentator has an understanding of diversity. If there was diversity, we would see people of color on the TV during the premium hours of the day. Tell me, who is really shaping the news!

  • Linda W.

    I totally agree with Time Wise and am grateful for the history lesson. I am African American and some of the subject matter I had not heard about, but that is not surprising since the history of this country has never in truth been told. I thank Mr. Wise for his article and I intend to email everyone I communicate with via email to direct them to this site.

  • Red

    Has anyone ever thought to ask why Roland Martin is even on television? His educational background is at the very least mediocre and his insights are benign. This entire situation is tantamount to the emperor wearing nothing and the sheep in the audience following suit.

  • Peter

    finally, someone that truly understands the english language has explained it to all the dumb folks that come after me saying, “did you hear what Obama’s pastor said?” i heard it and it is the damn truth, live with it.

  • Peter

    by the way, shame on Lou Dobbs! a brilliant man that often say the dumbest things on tv. no wonder i keep changing the channel whenever he comes on air nowadays.

  • Fed Up

    I am pretty fed-up with the Media focusing on a small portion of the Preacher’s sermon, giving the impression that he was blaspheming America because of “Blacks Only”, now that the entire sermon has been revealed it gives a different impression. I recent that the media constantly takes blurps out of what they want the public to hear leaving out important information that give light to the matter. Was this an deliberate effort to mislead or create hatred in the minds of the public? Why haven’t the media interviewed. other ethnic groups who are members of the Church where the Preacher delivered the sermon? I gives makes me believe that this attack was calculated and targeted to come out just prior to the upcoming election, are you trying to manipulate the minds of the voters in the upcoming election against Barack? Because of your heighted views of racism in this country, I believe that the Media is just as if not more responsible for the maligning and the creating a false impression in the minds of the voting public. Please address this matter. If the Media believe that the former Pastor is such a racist, why is the congregation so diverse? What is the Media doing to bridge the gap of racism in America?

  • Mae

    BRAVO Tim Wise

  • Hardy

    Ugliness doesn’t like mirrors.
    The truth of the matter is this country has been nothing but ugly to Black Americans. We all know we don’t have to go back to the 60′s to find it. Remember Katrina. Remember the 2000 election in Florida.

    Time and time again, this country has treated Black Americans as Red Headed Step Children.
    Why didn’t the Federal Government protect the people of N.O. and voters of Florida like it protected Bear Stearn. Isn’t protecting and saving the people and democracy of this country just as important as saving an investment company?

    This government has clearly failed Black Americans and what are they supposed to do?
    Not speakout.
    Black Americans are not asking for a hand out, but they would like a fair hand. So here is the question. Why can’t Oprah, Micheal Jordan, and Bill Cosby own a T.V. station in America?

  • http://rolandmartin Rob

    Ok! Ok! Ok! Ok Enough Already! This article, “its content” can also be used as the very same Anti-American sentiment that America (all races inclusive) speak of! Yes, Mr. Wise is correct on events of history to present and so are all the black intellects that have spoke/written the same articles for the past 50+ years and possibly longer). Mr. Wise demonstrates an eloquent style of writing those same facts. Does everyone really think black Americans are not part of the history of this “Great Nation”? Do you really think white America is not aware of what it has done to individuals, races & other countries standing in the path of – “Sovereignty”? It is called, “eyewitness accounts” – that is why the writer’s know. They are not discovering anything new about our history – It is listed and surprise, “it’s public knowledge”. What is necessary here? For all the white Americans to stand up in front of the “UN” and state publicly what a horrible country America really is? Then what? How about this? Let’s take volunteers?? Who wants to take a close look at your personal life (all of your family tragedies) (all of your personal skeletons) (don’t forget your youthful mistakes) (all of your acts of poor morale behavior) (and accounts of tobacco, firearms, alcohol and/or drug usage) then stand up in front of the “World” and bare your negative family and your accounts publicly? Are there any takers? Of course not! I wouldn’t either! The bible reads and Jesus said – “He, who is without sin, cast the first stone”. My point here is, “SIMPLE” illustrations are abundant. – Where are the, “PRESENTED SOLUTIONS” to begin healing in the peril of our nation’s crisis and madness called, “Racism”? All families and people are imperfect – but great families and great people mature and grow. My family is America, in everything bad and everything good about, “her”. As a black American I have and I will defend her again and again! By the way, “I do get a lump in my throat and my heart swells from pride” when I hear the National Anthem. I am not so naive to think the world is so friendly outside of my family (America) and that the other countries don’t have, “atrocious acts or negative history”. I am proud to be an American and yes it is difficult at times being a black American. God made me a black American for a reason. However; my personal issues are with the, “Poverty Pimps of America” (who are black) and “Conservative Pimps of America” (who are white) both groups seem to feed on the fears and hardships of their own prospective race. I feel the goal behind their race rhetoric (that is written or expressed positively with a negative undertone and negative spin for the other race) is their personal bank accounts. Funny thing! We pay the “Pimps for their race rhetoric that makes each race feel victimized. It is my belief that America as whole should unite and first go after the “Pimps” who make it difficult to heal. But then who cares. Right? We all want a reason to point the finger at the other race while not looking within ourselves. “Truth is”! It doesn’t matter if you are Indian-White-Hispanic-Black-Latin-Asian or any other race of Americans (I may have missed), “like it or not America is Changing for the better”. If the, “folks” who desire to be seen as leaders and not, “Radicals”, “Poverty Pimps of America” or “Conservative Pimps of America” – PRESENT SOLUTIONS with the information you share! If not – only the people you will reach are angry like yourself – I would guess that most Americans are finding positive ways to deal with negative race realities we all face daily and not teaching the “hate the other race because theory” to our children and our children’s children.

  • Hank

    Great stuff Tim. I have seen the clips of Rev. Wright being aired by CNN et.al., and from the northern half of the North American continent, his comments make a lot of sense. Roland Martin’s recent column parsing the Rev. Wright’s sermon makes it an eminently palatable speech to an outside observer of US history. Furthermore, it is worthy of reflection in Canada, where numerous examples of racism have yet to be dealt with adequately. Unless we reveal, discuss, atone and reconcile with our collective past, we will always be haunted by these ghosts and never learn what they are whispering. An honest examination is the only way forward.
    By the way, your blog coulda used a few more paragraph breaks. Heavy slogging at the end, or is that just how it shows up in this blog?

  • http://www.goodoleboybumperstickers.com Pete

    Black politicians and people in general get a free pass. As long as they are constantly the “victim” of the white man they will never succeed. http://www.goodoleboybumperstickers.com

  • Taamie

    Hello Roland I was wondering have you watched this

    And If everyone has not seen this grab your popcorn and drinks get the family and enjoy this ride. If we are going to have a voice as Americans, ask yourself do you really know Hillary Clinton…I think Not!!!!

    Especially all those that has been diagnosed with hillirmonia!

    Lets be fair people!!!

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1119319130868761649

    http://www.hillarythemovie.com

  • Kelly

    Thank you Mr. Martin for being a responsible journalist and for having the integrity to speak up and defy the rest of the media. I hope others will follow your lead and stop fueling the fire by continuing to speak of Rev. Wright as if he’s America’s worst enemy, but rather do as you have done and listen to what Rev. Wright really said.

    Mr. Wise’s piece is very thought provoking and disturbing. It’s disturbing in it’s truth. How is it that we as a country expect to erase so many years of injustices in a generation or two? How can we expect those who have suffered and who still are suffering to just forget about it and not understand how it frames who they are today? We would rather it be forgotten and forgiven. Let’s move on. But how can we when we still have such anger and fear of what is different and of what we don’t understand?

    I’m a typical white woman. I don’t think of myself as being racist, but truth be told, I have drawn conclusions about people from time to time based solely on their appearance. He who has not committed that sin may cast the first stone. I think we all have our preconceived notions based on either our past experiences or what we have absorbed through our upbringing or the media. I think the media is extremely guilty of feeding the racial debate during this primary season and seems to jump at any chance to throw more logs on the fire. The treatment of Rev. Wright has been deplorable and I think his church has every right to feel like they have been lynched.

    Once again, Mr. Martin, thank you for bringing to light the truth. I look forward to reading more of your commentary.

  • Molly

    While I don’t always agree with Tim Wise methodology, I mostly agree with his conclusions. As part of the diversity efforts at my children’s school this past summer, we were asked to read Tim Wise’s book, “White Like Me..” And while I cannot say I “liked” the book (as I thought it might have had some regional bias), I can fully admit it got me thinking in a new way and opened up a dialogue in our community that has not always been easy or comfortable, but surely has been better attuned to covert racism in this country. And it is surely there.

    As a white person, I will not only refuse to laugh at a racist joke, but will actually call a person out on it. But what I have seen is a more politically correct front hiding a private prejudice. But when we stop and say, “hey, I might offend in my word choice but please chalk that up to slight ignorance and let’s just try to hear what the other is saying instead of focusing so narrowly on how it is said.” I tell you what, it works far better than you think it might.

    So, while I wish Mr. Wise would double space between sentences and injected more paragraph breaks in his writing in general, this is just semantics and, in fact, exactly makes my point. It doesn’t matter HOW he says it or in what format. It’s just good that it’s being said. But to point out just how far we have to go… it’s almost as if what is being called for is for a bunch of influential white people to give the issues of black America credence before they are given credibility. And if that ain’t a racist way of looking at things, I don’t know what is.

    Frankly, guys like Hannity do the entire nation a disservice because they perpetuate the thinking that white people REFUSE to get it instead of simply not knowing due to ignorance. What I like about Barack Obama is that his first instinct is to suggest we can all employ intelligence to find a solution. and I like that approach. Other’s just don’t seem to have the same kind of faith in the American people.

  • David

    In reviewing the sermon’s made by Jeremiah Wright we finally get to see the whole truth. I don’t agree with all of his comments but I would welcome the conversation to discuss many of the issues that we hispanics, blacks and white lack dialogue in. I spent the whole weekend trying to find transcripts or a media clip of the interview between Fox news and Ambassador Peck that Rev. Wright referred to in his faith footnote. I think there needs to be an inquiry on if Fox has sequestered the interview with Ambassador Peck. I saw the clip where Peck talks about the US government being no better than the Germans and the Fox news audience was unhappy. We need to find the transcripts, Ambassador Peck did appear on “Crossfire” in 2001 and expressed his opinions of the US goverment.

  • Elliott Abraham

    What is even more interesting is the fact that Pastor Wrights comments, “some of them” have been taken COMPLETELY out of context and the media knows it! The whole “chickens coming home to roost” comment was a quote within his sermon from former US. Ambassador Peek. I am so appalled that the media would not bother to play the entire 3 minute sound bite of the sermon that would put that statement in its proper context. Put in context, noone could make the assertion that Pastor Wright is anti-American or unpatriotic.

    Another thing that really upsets me is how the media, most of whom are white would assume that they can tell us who to talk to, how to worship, and where to worship. I heard a commentator last week suggesting that we begin to question why Obama is speaking weekly with Al Sharpton. That is totally preposterous. I think we are truly on a dangerous precipice in regards to race relations in this country and it is not Senator Obama’s fault. We need to openly discuss race in this country while truly trying to understand opposing views. I also think it is timeout for lazy Americans just believing all that we are told without researching information for ourselves. I believe that we all can learn from the Tuskeegee Experiment when the issue of “what our country is capable of” is brought up.

  • Douglas

    Mr. Martin, though this blog entry concerns what Mr. Tim Wise stated on your show this morning (3-24-2008), you had another guest later who is the Rev. Stephen J. Thurston. On the positive side I appreciate him standing up for Rev Jeremiah Wright. But the more important issue was surrounding the TECHNOLOGY question, which he (but not by himself) and so many other people of the cloth falter at.

    He consistently repeated to you and the listeners the infrastructure is not in place to engage in the Hi-Tech world we live in presently. Mr. Martin, I believe you were being nice to the Reverend. Matter of fact you stated to him you had uploaded entries to two different blogs you monitor while on the air while interviewing him. This in itself is the problem which hinders a quick response when attacked from the secular media upon a good Christian man (Rev. Jeremiah Wright).

    The only infrastructure needed to create the pod-casts, the web-page, the blog-space you kept trying to get the good Reverend to understand is a desktop or laptop computer and Internet connection. After that, let one of the teenage or twenty-somethings use it to create aforementioned items, but monitor the content going out. Considering the person would be working from the church, we can only pray it is God-like material.

    These reverends, pastors, bishops, ministers and various individuals of the clergy must alleviate their mindset of power. Each have a hard time giving up power. There is no reason for the plethora of churches in the Black communities to not build Tech Center schools located close by for seniors, middle-age individuals and of course the YOUTH to hang out and stay abreast of the technology you love to speak about.

    His and any other person who heads a church who states the infrastructure is not there, need to take a look at China and East India and ask how have they become major players in the United States economy without supplementing her citizens? It is not merely moving factories overseas, IT IS THE GLOBALIZATION OF TECHNOLOGY which has thrust these countries up the ECONOMIC ladder quickly.

  • thenounproject

    thank you. I said it in three words (no, four)–well, did he lie?
    He told the truth and I thank you courageous men for speaking the truth. America needs to be set free.

  • Kelly

    I just heard Lou Dobbs on CNN say that he has not heard a white minister utter the type of hatred/racism as Rev. White and Trinity Church does from the pulpit in 40 years. Hmmm…. How about referring to the Catholic Church as the “great whore” or saying that Katrina was punishment from God for a society that’s becoming like Sodom and Gommorah, or blaming 9/11 on homosexuals or claiming that America was founded to destroy Islam? But since those comments were not directed toward WASPS I guess they are OK?

  • Peter

    why on earth people listen to lou dobbs is beyond me, that guy is racist as hell. listen to how he address hispanics and latinos on the issues on immigration and other matters as it relates to any other race of color. i have particularly stopped watching cnn whenever he is on.

  • Brenda

    Roland,
    CNN was on my “do not watch” list. In my opinion, CNN became the propaganda medium for war, torture, racism, division and recently the market crash. However, recently black voices have been included. Black separation is a result of white exclusion. Some of us are given a place in society but not a voice in society. CNN is doing a “black america” addition in the fall. If this is a regular feature that accurately represents black america, I will watch. I bet that a small group of racists will torment CNN, drive down ratings and complain to the FCC. Each day at work I have to listen to a man tell me how inferior black people are. It is not easy listening to a new “my negative view of black people story” every day. I have been called “dangerous” because I dared show the human emotion of indignation (renamed anger) against a stereotype that I do not work hard. I worked 50-80 hours per week because I was hired and ignored. You have a seat but never invited to join the inside dialog or meetings.

    In 2008 I heard a co-workers say “I don’t think that America is ready for a black man”. In 2008, I am forced to endure a co-worker who said “go back to Africa”. My favorite is “we were here first” (reaction to Obama before Wright). Or you “talk white one minute and black the next (duh)? He did not understand that blacks have mixed blood from rape. If an indian disagreed with his philosophy and said “go back to europe”, how would he feel. These things send a message that you are not a part of that kind of America. So you redefine American which is Black American. Michelle said …first time I felt like an american because people are united. She was accepted as an equal for the first time. You can get a million degrees from Harvard, however only inclusion and respect for your opinion will make you feel American. You cannot feel like an american if you are not accepted and respected.

    Also it is arrogant to demand that black people support the unjust war, or wave the flag on que or say what I say and live like I live and on and on. When I pledge allegiance, I whisper “I pledge allegiance to Jesus …” I never know what am I am pledging to. I want to thank you and particularly Mr. Wise for his post. I have never blogged but I have signed on to many posts and tried unsuccessfully to explain that we walked and walk in separate shoes. I have allowed myself to be baited into responding to bigotry. I try to understand the white person’s view but it is annoying to be “invisible”. Many white people know the truth of history, politics and socialism. Many whites also died and were blacklisted as they fought against injustice.

    Our America had changed but when Obama ran and Hispanics numbers increased, I noticed that outward hatred returned. It is only in the last ten years that I purchased a flag. I thought that finally it included me. After the horrible demonization of blacks again, the feeling is gone. I and many other people in America are not racists. Mr. Wise is an intelligent person. His presentation is a truth that noone can intelligently refute. We should also remember that the people of Iraq, the tortured prisoners and soon Africa, all need our help. There are white people all over the world (huge in the US) who marched and still march against the war and torture. Whether you are black or white, write a letter or speak up. Support the marchers because they are fighting for all of us. I love those people because they are equal opportunity fighters against injustice and violence. There is a global movement. If you are afraid of getting hurt in a protest, send money to help them. Just do something.

    God loves the United States. Let us not go backward to be cursed but let us go forward to be blessed together. Whether black or white, let us judge deviant behavior whether it is inner city murder or violent governments. I will definitely purchase Mr. Wise’s books for my continued enlightenment and to support him and his cause. Thank you Mr. Wise. You are one “mighty fine man”.

  • shawn

    i am a huge fan of yours mr. martin. i am a black woman and i am voting for Obama not because he’s black but because i see the differnce in him he’s about change and people are really afraid of change. the republicans dont like change because the wealthy wont be in charge and then most democrats dont like change because it creates the crab mentality where we pull each other down. preachers are men of GOD but they are always men or women and we do not go to church to follow them, but to learn the word of the holy bible. God says put no man before him. pastor wright sounds controversy if you only listen to the sound bites but if you refer to the bible it says exactly what he says and black preachers use our interpretaion of the scripture. Somemtimes its in a way only blacks can relate. its the nature of the beast, the past is still the present it may not be as bold as it use to be but hatred of blacks and others is still very much out there. its more on a hush hush basis but blacks will never stop talking about because it still effects everthing we do in life and its a part of our history that we teach to our children so that they can be like obama and seek for change and unity amongst all poeple. thanks

  • Patrick

    Will the whining and scapegoating from you continually discordant African-Americans ever end? The truth is that black people have their own versions of the truth, typically developed and promulgated via word of mouth instead of by empirical evidence. You are so full of hatred and bitterness and resentment, and so quick to cast aspersions on all white people, that you unabashedly strive to create or manufacture your own truths. One example is how Bill O’Reilly was pilloried by various black callers on the Michael Baisden radio show for purportedly saying that a “lynching party” should be held for Michelle Obama in regard to a segment of an address she delivered in which she commented on her husband’s popularity and surging political successes by stating that “this is the first time I can ever remember being proud to be an American.” O’Reilly was in fact stating the opposite and took her side in the ensuing argument and melee that her controversial remarks deservedly garnered. He stated that he was giving her the benefit of the doubt, that she had misspoken, or been taken out of context, or had simply said something, as is the proclivity of all public figures to do, without having fully realized what the import of her words would be. He had, in fact, said to hold the presses and not succumb to a public pseudo “lynching party” for this woman. Instead, his words were twisted out of context by these black callers, as is the bent and regular practice of blacks to do, with the spurious claim that O’Reilly was joining in the rail of Michelle with all the others.
    It was also quite revealing and enlightening, although not surprising to me, to note the obvious glee and resounding approbation with which the Reverend Wright’s congregation greeted his incendiary comments. It just verifies what I have known to be true. That is, that blacks are some of the most bigoted, hateful and hypocritical people on the face of this earth. The fact of the matter is that we can never have a true, heartfelt conversation on race in this country because we “whities” are no longer free to state that which we know to be true about you people for fear of losing our livelihoods, and yet blacks are given a free pass to spread any kind of vile vituperation on and about white people regardless of its merit. I can and do acknowledge the grievous evil of slavery and the Jim Crow legal legacy, and the lynchings, etc., ad nauseam, but I draw the line when you try to extend, deflect, and defray the reparations and recriminations for such onto me with your belligerence and bitterness.
    The fact of the matter is that I’ve noticed that nearly every neighborhood into which blacks move rapidly descends into a cesspool of criminality and amorality. Come to Memphis and see for yourselves, or read the news excerpts of the regular perfidy of the aa denizens of the #1 murder city per capita in this country. I had to move from every abode in which I resided because as soon as the blacks started to move in, the level of civility declined while the criminality soared. I lived in several apartment complexes where there was little to no incidence of crime until the aa moved in. A girlfriend of mine thereafter had her car stolen several times. My truck was stolen by a group of black thugs who had also defecated in the complex pool that same evening. The funny thing is that many blacks treat their own kind with the same level of animus. One of the few black residents who had lived amongst a resounding majority of we white tenants in one of these complexes for a while, given that he knew he could not remain unscathed and unmolested amongst his own kind, and who also happened to be wheel-chair bound, was beaten and robbed by a group of black marauders. But you blacks always tiresomely retort that white people have committed the same crimes. Yes, but not with the per capita incidence of black folks. The prisons would not be so full with your ilk were it not so. But you would retort again that many of you are unfairly incarcerated. BS! While I can admit, and have vouched and been disqualified for jury duty by a prosecutor from a court case for it, that crack vs. cocaine sentencing guidelines have been unfairly prescribed, the vast majority of blacks incarcerated deserve to be there, and most should be retained there for a longer period of time given the sickening recidivism of so many of them.
    Now, there are blacks starting to move into the neighborhood in which I now reside. I know that a day is coming when “they chillens” or “they cousins” will be breaking into my home and stealing my hard-earned possessions. I have already been on the receiving end of perverse looks of enmity from these new denizens, as well as the ritual sneers and derision so many blacks lavish on white people. This past summer is when I knew it had all started anew. I was driving down my home street when I noted a group of aa school girls walking down the middle of the street a few blocks ahead of me. Several of them turned around and noticed my approach. I thought surely they would have the good sense and courtesy to move to the public sidewalks or at least to the side of the street, but they continued walking down the middle of the thoroughfare. I had to come to a complete halt behind them, at which point one of them looked over her shoulder and, in the most haughty and vindictive manner, called me a “f__king cracker.” A month or so after this at a neighborhood Walgreen’s store, I noted that an elder aa woman standing in line behind me was heavily laden with various shopping items she was carrying, and so I made the considerate gesture to move my purchase items aside such that she could put hers on the counter. Instead of thanking me for the gesture, she sneered at me and made no response. Perhaps she was embarrassed, and rightly so, because she realized she was the only imbecile in line that had not used a shopping cart or basket. This is the kind of nonsense we white people have to put up with when we have to live and work with you. Why do you have to move into our well-established neighborhoods and then infect them with your cancerous attitudes? Why can’t you make it work in you own dysfunctional communities? I believe it’s because you know that you can’t trust and rely on each other, the same reason why your forebears couldn’t mount an effective insurrection when they were enslaved. How is that the multitude of slaves couldn’t overcome and overtake their “masters,” who they outnumbered by several multiples?
    There are various simpering sycophantic white people, such as Tim Wise, who are falling all over themselves with pseudo remorse and empathy because they have their heads stuck so far up the sphincters of black folks, who cannot or will not reveal the real truth of what is entailed with living with the constant “hypersensitivity,” bitching and moaning, and general incivility of black people. I am particularly sick and tired of the aggressive and insolent behavior of black women who I encounter as employees at various shopping venues. I simply won’t tolerate it. If they unduly berate or impose their malignant attitudes on me, I report them to the relevant corporate authorities. I have had one such malingering malcontent fired. But I know how black women are because I used to date them. They are overly judgmental and critical of all people, as well as harbor in inordinate measure the all too familiar “you owe me” entitlement complex so ingrained and inculcated in nearly all black people. I once invited a black woman with whom I had phone conversations over a period of a couple of years to stay with me for a holiday week. She stole a credit card, on which she subsequently charged over $300, and several hundred dollars from my wallet. I no longer date black women because this is the level of turpitude I’ve come to expect from most of them. I find it no wonder that many of them are single mothers. Many black men will not put up with their hateful dispositions either.
    Lastly, I just want you black folks to realize that what you do in your neighborhoods will not be tolerated in ours’. You can call it “snitching” or “ratting,” or whatever euphemism you care to name, but if I see you doing the same kind of craven activities in my neighborhood, I’m going to call the law. And if one of your “cousins” or “peeps” tries to break in my house or take something from my yard, I’m going to shoot his black ass and not lose a minute of sleep over it.

  • you’re an DA

    I think that this dude is a freaking idiot! who cares what HE thinks!?? his opinion matters..why? And I guarantee he can’t out debate me! He needs to be concerned about his receding hairline and the dozen spare tires he has before he decides to butt his nose into the political arena! Furthermore, can he stop trying to out talk and talk over people?He looks and sounds VERY stupid!! Roland, you need to sit down, shut up, and stick to writing books. I would never buy your fiction and your biased slant on the Obama-Clinton race has you looking dumb as ever. Shut the flock up! and you know what I meant to say. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOUR RECEDING HAIRLINE THINKS!!!! crawl back under the rock from which you came-another opinionated idiot that PRETENDS to have knowledge! Nothing but a two bit hustler trying to sell a whack arce book that no one is going to buy!! and BTW, you look VERY stupid on the cover of “listening to the spirit within.” why don’t you listen to this spirit and SHUT UP! idiot!

  • J. Rowland

    Live Your Creed

    I’d rather see a sermon than to hear one any day.
    I’d rather one walk with me than just to show the way.
    The eye is a better pupil and more willing than the ear.
    Advice may be misleading but examples are always clear.
    And the very best of teachers are the ones who live their creed,
    For to see good put into action is what everybody needs.
    I can soon learn to do it if you let me see it done.
    I can watch your hand in motion but your tongue too fast may run
    And the lectures you deliver may be very fine and true
    But I’d rather get my lesson by observing what you do.
    For I may misunderstand you and the fine advice you give
    But there’s no misunderstanding how you act and how you live.

    Edgar A. Guest

  • J. Rowland

    Tim is right, but I think most White Americans today are not aware of the race issues that African American’s are faced with. We have too many token joes in the media (save for Roland), in politics and everyday life that do not confront White Americans when they inflict condensention, double-standards, bias, bigotry, stereotypes and discrimination against minorites. Today at work (I am the only black chemist at my job), I had a stereotypical moment. I drive a 2008 VW Passat and had it for months. There was an old and worn Dodge Status in the parking lot with a deflating tire. No one knew who the car belonged to. Why did several people in the lab, bypass others to exclusively ask me if the Dodge Status was my car? I overheard them saying “I bet that old car is Jonathan’s” Finally one of my White co-workers claimed the car. This is the type of crap we have to deal with. I guess my skin color determines my social status.

  • Brenda

    J. Rowland – Your example is not funny. As you know we try to have fun with this stuff …it eases the pain. I was in an office and the discussion was about the elimination of field rats. You know the rest of the story. We laughed so hard. 98% of the time it is not funny. We have done well in only 40 years. I believe that policies have prevented us from doing better. In the absence of a support country or group, church became our connection. Policies also prevent poor whites, hispanics, asians and africans from doing better. However, I do say that it is our fault for accepting this. If full equality is not given, we are political, have money, intelligence, etc. Jesus is all I know so I cannot support Farakan. However his economical model works. I do not understand why governments are making these horrible decisions in countries. They tell us who to hate, who to kill, where to spend money and how to live. Most welfare goes to the top and it always has. Investigate yourselves.

    Remember when Barak said that a child in Appalachia is our child, the child in the inner city is our child, the immigrant child is our child (paraphrased). What politician talks like that? We do not want selfish Republicans, selfish democrats or selfish third parties. We want a candidate who is for “The United States Of America”. He ended with but “I can’t do this alone…I am counting on you…” Is he perfect? Probably not. He did not grovel and “throw his pastor under the bus”? Did he return hate for hate? No. If someone played “Barak The Happy Negro” to me and 12 million people laughed”, I would pray for an eye for an eye. “Happy Negro” is different than a bible prophesy against governments not just America. If anyone believes that there is no God, I would expect to see greed, hatred, murder..what is there to lose. I am talking to the so called “christians” that are shown on TV, who sabatoge the nation, who hate others, who God does not know.

    The bible says “beware that the cries of the people come to me”. My last prayer was two hours long, prayed with tears and anguish (it was the last torture story) at what we have become. I am sure that everything “done in secret” will continue to “be shouted on the mountaintop”.

    White people are shocked because we are talking. Black people are shocked because many still hate us. Barak gave the most eloquent speech on race that I have ever heard and then he threw the ball in our court. The “urgency of now” that he talked about was the unjust Iraq war, our financial system and the profound ethnic divisions in America. I am confident that this is our last chance to be blessed. I hope that I am wrong.

    CNN has become a network similar to Fox. More wars are planned but you will not hear it. Google “think tanks” to see what some of them have planned for all of us. If there are christians here, in humility, let us all pray a prayer that comes from the holy spirit. When the last election was stolen again?? I prayed “Lord, give the people their king”. If the people do not obey God’s word to “love” and hate enough to cheat and lie, then I pray again “let the people have their king”. I hope the scripture is interpreted correctly that says “only with your eyes will you behold it”. A patriotic american is not one who pretends that evil is good, it is one that holds the governments accountable to the constitution of the United States Of America. It WAS the only thing that made us different.

  • Chris Gadbois

    For me, it is not about what Pastor Wright said, because he is not asking for my vote. It is about what Barrack said himself; I interpreted his comments as justifying reverse racism. I didn’t like the way he equated his grandmother’s confession, many years ago, to the anger and hatred preached by Reverend Wright. When it came to Don Imus, it didn’t matter what good he had done in his life, it only mattered what he said. Now when Reverend Wright is being questioned about his racist comments, Obama tells us to look at all the good this man has done. It is a hypocritical position. He also lost credibility by saying he wasn’t aware of many of the controversial statements made by Rev. Wright. I had been dismissing many of the stories of Obama’s church and Michelle Obama’s statements about pride and America being a mean country, but Obama’s speech on race has caused me to see if differently now. I won’t bother debating those who somehow claim Rev. Wright speaks the truth, but I clearly acknowledge that African-Americans have plenty of reasons for being angry. What I don’t get, is how we ever move forward? I think that is a question that African-Americans need to clearly answer. Is it reparations as I have seen some suggest quietly? MLK and the civil rights leaders had clearly established goals? What are the goals of today’s African-American and who are their true leaders? I hear many African Ammericans say that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson don’t speak for them. Well who does speak for them and what is it White Americans can do to truly start moving forward? I had been hoping that Barrack Obama was the leader who could do that for the country, but then he justified reverse racism. and for those who refuse to discuss this and dismiss those who diagree with them, as racists, are themselves at the core of the problem.

  • W Johnson

    J Rowland – Roland does not have a token job?! Are you kidding?

    Ever wonder why Asians come to this country and fly by blacks (and many whites) economically?

    While blacks just sit and bitch and moan.

    Every listen to Earl Nightengale and Lead the Field? Set some goals instead of blaming whitey for your lack of success. That tired old song is getting so old and is so devisive.

    How do you expect a white (like me) to react when I’ve never done anything to hurt a black and I have to endlessly have people like you blame me for your lack of success. You act like because we’re white life is so easy. IT AIN’T!

    Life I’ve written here before without acknowledgement – I have a black CPA who has been with the company 18 years and an Asian who has been with the company 6 months. This past tax season the Asian has prepared 3+ times more returns than the black CPA and her work is close to perfect. The black CPA’s work is mediocre. The black CPA makes twice what the Asian makes.

    Now, without screaming it’s because I’m a racist KKK member, what am I supposed to do when my boss tells me to fire one? We’re running a business here. The owner has his capital invested and needs to make a return, otherwise why should he be in business?

    Can I get an answer?

  • J. Rowland

    W Johnson,

    First off I have never blamed anybody for my lack of success, because I am successful. I realized the American dream through hard work, good deeds and prayer. I am one of the leading Chemist at my company despite being told by my high school counselor that my 3.8 GPA is good but I should attend trade school and not take college prep courses. At the end of each school year, every teacher would tell me that they initially thought that I would be the trouble maker in their classes. And no I did not have cornrows or wear baggy pants. I am 26, married with children and never been to jail. So the “you people” and “people like you” stops here my man. I form my opinion of people based on sense experience and not media testimony. I look at all people as individuals and characterise them based on their own merit, so I don’t know what the hell the Black CPA has to do with me! If you are so tired of the bitching and moaning, stop giving people a reason to do so. For the record I never said that Roland has a token job. I implied that some people are afraid to speak up or take a stand when it is necessary. Roland is one exception.

  • Elliott Abraham

    W. Johnson – you bring up very valid points here. Understand, there is no place for slothfulness in any business place. However, don’t assume that because you experience difficulty that you understand the pervasive breadth and width of the struggles that we African Americans face daily. To be silent is to condone, yet to voice ones opinion is to be labeled divisive or a victim. I would suggest that if you haven’t already, please read the Souls of Black Folks by WEB DuBoise to get some understanding of the “veil” of which he speaks. We are not in a color blind society and never will be. I suggest that we don’t have to in order to peacefully coexist. I don’t have to disavow your “whiteness” in order to get along with you. You shouldn’t have to disavow my “blackness” in order to get along with me. However, what we do have to do is understand each other, what makes us alike and where culturally we are different

    To your point about your employees, obviously you would keep the person who brings more value to the company. If there has been an 18 year pattern of this apathetic behavior then why is he still there? We teach people how to treat us by what we accept from them. Someone has given this CPA 18 years worth of “that’s acceptable” either verbally or non-verbally. Or could it be that this is a dry spell that he is going through and his body of work over 18 years would require that you factor that in over one tax season?

    Finally, since you gave a “real world” example allow me to provide one as well. Some years ago I worked for a major telecom company as a contractor. I had at the time a great deal of experience, credentials, education, and certifications. When it came time for contractors to be hired permanently by the company, my “white” co-worker who had fewer years in the field, less education(a GED at the time), few certifications, and a shorter time on the job was offered the job first and his initial offer was 16k more than my eventual initial offer. Allow me to further state that of my credentials, one was the CISSP certification which is the gold standard for security certifications. This gentleman did not have that certification at all yet he was offered first and offered more. The only way I knew what his offer was is because he was so excited that he told everyone about it. Of course I eventually accepted an offer that was acceptable but I had to fight twice as hard to get what was given to him. ( I accepted an offer 6k more than his initial offer). However, this put me at the same level as him when on paper, I was on a level with guys who had been at the company for years. I was only the 2nd in my department besides my then manager who had obtained the CISSP credential yet it counted for naught when it was time to hire. My work history was great. I was a subject matter expert. I was in great standing in the company yet this was my reality, I had to fight for what was given to my white counter part. Can I get your take on that please?

    Thanks

  • J. Rowland

    W Johnson,

    In regards to the Barbie Bandits (two white girls) who participated in a bank heist near Atlanta, GA. One gets two years in prison and 8 yrs probation and the other gets 10 years probation and no prison time, while Shaquanda Collins, a 14 year old black girl was sentenced to 7 years for simply shoving a hall monitor (no injuries). Bank heist versus shoving a hall monitor. The bitching and moaning is justified, my man. Roland someone should make a story out of this.

  • J. Rowland

    Elliott,

    Dang brother, I had similar issues at my last job (I left after my white co-worker used the N-Word and didn’t receive punishment for it). I’ll give W Johnson a hint. Its called paying the Black Tax – having to do twice as much to prove yourself or for recognition.

  • W Johnson

    J Rowland

    And on Long Island a black man shot a white 17 year old in the face and killed him on his front lawn. The white boy was not attacking the black man, made no attempt to enter the house. He was simply yelling, possibly racial slurs. But to shoot him dead?! He got 2-4 years and they are appealing.

    Three whites dragged a black man to his death in Texas. Two were sentenced to death and the third sentence to life in prision. Personally, I think all three should have gotten death.

    Your turn.

  • W Johnson

    J Roland –

    Like I’ve written several times!! The Asian does 3Xs the work the black CPA does and has 17 1/2 year LESS experience!

    What part of that are you having trouble with?!

    I have a BLACK client in Asbury Park NJ. He owns several rental properties. When he needs work done, he uses MEXICANS!! NOT BLACKS!!! He said to me “Man, those Mexicans REALLY work!”

    Your turn!

  • Elliott Abraham

    J. Rowland

    We have to do everything with an uncompromising spirit of excellence. Even then, when we voice a grievance we will be perceived as the angry “black man”. I think for this reason many choose just to remain silence. I suggest that perception is in fact reality until it is challenged and disproven. We have to continue to challenge the negative perceptions about us. We have to continue to disprove what the dominant culture thinks about us. We have to continue to father our children, teach them about honor and respect, and demand excellence from them. We have to teach our children to be responsible, and accountable for their actions.

    -E

  • W Johnson

    Elliott -

    I find if I don’t work my ass for an employer, he fires me. If I bitch and moan too much, I get fired.

    Maybe they think I’m black?

  • Elliott Abraham

    W. Johnson….

    Your point, my points, as well as J. Rowlands points were all addressed in Senator Obama’s speech on race in America. If one listens to the speech objectively you will hear that he mentions the specific grievance that you now mention. Hey, Stevie Wonder can see how you, W. Johnson would become angry and bitter after busting your hump just to have someone( a minority) be given what you have had to bust hump for. That is understandable. So what I am suggesting is that instead of engaging in a foolish round of tit for tat and one upsmanship, lets agree now that we both work hard and together would probably we dynamite.

    Where we miss each other often is if I fail to acknowledge the cause of your angst, and you fail to acknowledge the cause and validity of mine. I’m willing to acknowledge yours, are you willing to reciprocate?

    -Elliott

  • W Johnson

    Elliott

    I have a German surname. I work in NYC (Hymietown per Jesse Jackson, never held accountable), in an industry dominated by Jews. (If you don’t deny the Holocaust (where about as many Christians were killed as Jews (often not mentioned)), Germans killed 6m Jews, give or take). I doubt there are a heck of a lot of Jews looking to give a kraut a job.

    I’ve been passed over many times for Jews. No one ever gave a rats ass. I just moved on, worked my ass off for my new employer and if they didn’t promote me, moved on.

    I just don’t get to file discrimination lawsuits.

    Now I’m CFO with a company that is owned by a Jew and my boss, the President is a Jew.

    How do I do it? I work my ass off and do a better job than my predecessor. Every year I look for ways to improve my departments efficiency.

  • Elliott Abraham

    W. Johnson

    Yours is a story that I can understand and relate too. The question is, has it made you bitter, better, or both? I would offer though that where we differ is that the Pygmalion affect has probably never applied to you. You appear to be the victim of discrimination but you haven’t been subjected to years of being told that you AREN”T capable, able, or even allowed to pursue your endeavor.

    -Elliott

  • W Johnson

    Elliott – It has not made me bitter. It is life. It is what I have to deal with if I want to suceed. If I don’t want to, I can find another job somewhere else.

    It has made me better.

    As far as not having been told I wasn’t capable, able or even allowed to, that is BS. My father was very negative and I thought I was stupid until my lates 20′s when I started realizing I had to do something with my life or I would be a zero. I flunked out of college several times before going back, graduating from Rutgers and getting a Masters Degree from Seton Hall.

    No one ever gave me anything! I know all about hard times.

    And I found the harder I worked, the better I did and NO ONE wanted to listen to my bitching and moaning!

  • http://deleted nerakami

    The devastation of oppression and abuse will remain in the human psyche for generations unless a conscious effort is made to un-do/unlearn the brain-washing of inferiority and unworthiness. Native Americans have suffered a similar fate and today the race is dealing with repercussive self-destructive behavior such as; alcoholism, obesity, drug use etc. America has a habit of trying to sweep it’s shameful past under the rug without ever having to come to terms with the aftermath of the severe degradation on the human spirit and psyche.

    Has this country ever given the native American or its African American communities an apology for its deplorable laws that allowed discrimination and abuse towards a segment of its society? If we are not willing to face the truth or address the horrors of our past actions, how then do we ever expect to move beyond the pain and damage caused by these very actions? I think the majority of Americans have a lot of growing up to do and until such time, it will forever be a subject where we simply scratch the surface without ever delving into the consequences much less, how to positively move beyond the superficial aspects.

  • Margaret

    AMERICA is still racist and segregated (hidden) and will continue to be. If it weren’t so, then there would not be such a big deal about this entire situation.

    Obama did not want any of these and has only tried to run a good and honest campaign, but the Media and others stir up things and make it bigger and larger to disrupt and corrupt.

    Obama should have to answer for his former and current pastor’s personal opinions and/or comments. It’s truly a sad situation and an embarrassment to America.

    When people put the truth out there and say things that others really want to say, watch out because the criticism will come.

  • Margaret

    CORRECTION:

    Obama SHOULD NOT have to answer for his former and current pastor’s personal opinions and/or comments.

  • W Johnson

    Margaret

    You are correct, he should not hav to answer for his pastor’s comments.

    But, he SHOULD have to answer as to why he listens to the hate!!

  • http://deleted nerakami

    And speaking about the double-standard: Barack Obama has endured a nation wide uproar over comments made by another person (Rev. Wright). The media attacks his “association” as questionable, depicting him as unelectable and YET, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff was convicted of lying and obstructing a leak investigation that reached into the highest levels of the Bush administration.

    These are John McCain’s words of Mr. Libby:

    “I think that you can make a case that he was singled out unfairly. I think that the appeals process goes forward,” McCain said. “I happen to be one who admires Scooter Libby. I think he was a dedicated servant.”

    What is wrong with America where a pastor’s questioning of America’s politics is considered abominable and unpatriotic and yet, we have those actually serving in Government lying and deceiving the American people and they get pardoned?

    It was lies that led us to invade Iraq and has us now trapped in a war that is destroying the American treasury and our international authority and respect.

    We, Americans better get our priorities in order before we destroy ourselves by allowing the liars, cheaters and despicable characters to speak and act on our behalf while we are being distracted by arguments of who is and isn’t patriotic. This is so absurd.

  • W Johnson

    Liars, cheaters and despicable characters in Congress?!

    Who would have thunk it?!

  • Elliott Abraham

    W. Johnson.

    You make a very good point about how your father’s disparaging words affected you negatively. Now magnify that negativity and back it up with real substantive policy, power, culture and more and you’ll begin to realize the breadth and width of African American suppression. Look at what you have accomplished in spite of not because of what your father said to you. What he said had power! Now imagine if he had used that power to uplift you and elevate your expectations.

    In America, African Americans have been constantly bombarded with “you can’t”. Remember the infamous bell curve? Our contributions to society have been literally stripped from the pages of history. We have been forced to believe that everything associated with who we are is bad, negative, and even evil. And to make it worse, we were taught that this was a divine judgement on us(Mark of Cain, descendents of Ham).

    Yet here we are, succeeding much like you in spite of not because of. Just as I wondered aloud for you, what more you could have or would have become, I wonder the same for us.

    -Elliott

  • Gureumi

    I was changing the TV channel and ended up watching this program.

    “From the 1860s to the 1920s, towns across the U.S. violently expelled African American residents.
    Today, these communities remain virtually all white. ”

    I could not believe the county in question was my neighbor town. I live in Atlanta, GA.

    http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/banished/index.html

    The website have a “banishment map”, with a list of counties, in which whites purged black residents since 1864 for six decades. I looked up CNN’s webpage providing state/county maps for recent primary results. There are still a few more counties waiting for the primaries. Very interesting. I will tell you later.

  • lavern

    MSNBC’s Pat Buchannan’s Racist Remarks that “Blacks should thank white folk for Slavery”

    March 21, 2008
    PJB: A Brief for Whitey
    posted by Linda
    By Patrick J. Buchanan
    How would he pull it off? I wondered.
    How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?
    How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about “the U.S. of K.K.K. America,” and howled, “God damn America!”
    My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.
    Yes, Barack agreed, Wright’s statements were “controversial,” and “divisive,” and “racially charged,” reflecting a “distorted view of America.”
    But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.
    Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.
    The “white community,” said Barack, must start “acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds … .”
    And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?
    The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations.
    What is wrong with Barack’s prognosis and Barack’s cure?
    Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, “everybody but the rioters themselves.”
    Was “white racism” really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said — that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.
    Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
    Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
    This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
    Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
    Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.
    Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
    We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
    Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.
    Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for “deserving” white kids.
    Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
    Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
    We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

  • tim

    It would be nice to be able to blame all my failures, weakness, and problems on someone else. However, since I am not a minority, I have to be responsible for everyone’s failures. That is alright, if you need a crutch to make it through life keep on blaming others. This is, no matter how loudly you cry, the real truth. The fact is people like Mr. Martin and Mr. Wright need to encourage hate to keep that money rolling in. Keeping a group of people feeling oppressed has been very good to them.

    Tim

  • angela

    In response to Gureumi”s comment, I read a book entitled, “Buried in the Bitter Waters” (and I am sorry that I cannot remember the name of the author) last summer and it addressed the ‘racial cleansing’ (the author’s term) of Black people during this period.

    It was written by a Pulitzer Prize-winning author who began by questioning why certain counties that should Black residents, didn’t have any. He is/was a newspaper writer and over a period of many years, many interviews (Black people had the oral history) and much research into newspaper and county records, uncovered the story and wrote this book. It also took a long time for him to get his superiors to allow it to be published!

    So very much legally-owned land was taken from Blacks in this way and so many Blacks were murdered if they did not simply ‘leave before sundown’.

  • W Johnson

    Elliot

    Why does the Asian fly by the black man economicallly?

  • http://deleted nerakami

    it is not about breaking the chains of slavery… yes that is over, it is not about doing away with segregation and discrimination in our society… overtly maybe, albeit not subtly, that’s diminishing…

    IT IS ABOUT…. BREAKING THE CHAINS OF MENTAL SLAVERY !!!!
    Now that.. still lives and breathes in our (Both blacks and whites) subconscious minds and is a part of the foundation of our belief system… being passed down form generation to generation ….

  • http://rolandmartin Rob

    As I stated above – this article can be seen as, “Anti American Hate Sentiment” because it offers no, “Presented Solutions”. Many of the comments thus far echo the same sentiments on both sides of the fence. Most people in this blog are sharing personal poor experiences of negativity of the opposite races. We already know that there are issues with, “Whitey & Blacky”. We already know that blacks feel that whites steal, lie, oppress and etc. We already know that whites feel that blacks are lazy, violent, freeloading and etc. Again – So what’s new? We already know that each side has different truths. I have learned, that there are always three sides to all stories. The beginning, the middle and the end. Life as we know it is not definitive, it is infinite! So therefore it is easy to state, that, “the middle and the end have not been written yet”.

    Here is a truth! No one is blogging about the positive things that have happened to them as a result of the other race, no one is agreeing with the other race and/or taking accountabilty for their own races poor decisions, no one is blogging positive things that will begin to move us forward as a nation – We are still clinging to, the great divide! We are a, “Great Nation” that can become a “tattered internally” and “war torn” with the sentiments of people continuing to rip it apart. Remmeber this, “the wolrd will be watching and laughing as we tear ourselves apart with hate (racism) for one another”.

    The one thing you all have in common is the, “Typical American Outlook”. It can never happen to us! Keep on thinking that this insults on the other race and pointing the finger at each won’t errupt and be taken to the streets in blood. Keep on thinking that our families won’t be ripped apart in the aftermath. Keep on thinking that that our young nation can’t wind up like the nations we discuss in the media daily. Hello! Hello! It all starts the same people, “Which race/group/mob/society is better” and then war follows… I’m sure you all have children or family. Yes, just keep on condemning them and America’s future. By the way….terrorist don’t care what color we are.. terrorist could care less about slavery (they hate us)…. terrorist could care less about white values (they hate you)…. terrorist hate “AMERICANS” with a passion… NO ONE GETS A HALL PASS ON THIS ONE!

    You might want to ask a “combat” veteran of past war and/or conflict this question… Does it matter what color the guy/gal is next to you when you are side by side in a fire fight for your life? Does it matter what color the fallen soldier is? Will a Marine leave a soldier behind because of the color of his skin?

    Americans turn your focus on the fight of becoming a truly united nation with an awesome two party government process. I blame black, “Poverty Pimps of America” on the condition of black America. I blame white “Conservative Pimps of America” on the negative image of white America. I don’t blame whites or blacks I pass everyday in life just because of the color of their skin for the stereotypes we all experience. Whenever I point my finger at someone else, “I always know that in that same hand I have three fingers pointing back at me”. I look within myself first to be the best me that I can be! For the rest, “I turn to God”.

  • Elliott Abraham

    W. Johnson,

    The reasons are many although your statement is not entirely accurate. However, I’ll take it at face value and not parse it with too much granularity.

    At first glance and continuing on with our current them is the pervasive nature of “You can” language, policies, systems etc, these have not been targeted in a protracted and concerted effort against Asians in this country. To be sure, they have been and continue to be discriminated against as well but they were never the target of institutional hatred/racism at the highest levels. COINTELPRO wasn’t initiated for them. Jim Crow wasn’t conceived of for them. A was was not for over them….Need I go on?

    Secondly, most Asians are far more studious and take educational opportunities far more seriously than we African Americans. I can indict us here because I are us(pardon the grammatical regression). This is true for not only Asians but Caribbeans who come here as well as Africans who migrate here. In spite of all the stumbling blocks, they see the opportunities that do exist in America.

    Now that I have answered your questions, will you address anything that I’ve written to you at all or will you continue to ignore them?

    -Elliott

  • W Johnson

    Elliot – I will address anything you ask.

    I thought I had, if I have not, forgive me and ask again.

    Let me recommend something to you, because you seem like an honest and sincere person.

    Everyone has problems, some more than others. For whatever reason, it may be black leaders/pastors, telling blacks that white man keeps them down, etc, etc, etc. Blacks say theirs are worse than whites, whites say theirs ar worse than blacks….

    Losers get caught up bitching and moaning about their problems, winners say f it, I’m moving on toward my goals. I was a loser and now live accomplishing goal after goal.

    Get a copy of Lead the Field. http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Nightingale-Lead-the-Field-Cassette-Program_W0QQitemZ220213580496QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29792QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Written and spoken by a white man, if you can handle it. It will turn your life around from being a loser and into being a winner. Share it with your black buddies who spend their days bitching about the wrongs the white man has done to them. You’ll get nowhere bitching and moaning.

    Bring on your questions. Just an aside, Roland has challenged me several times. I’ve always stood up and challenged him. He gets silent.

  • Elliott Abraham

    W. Johnson….

    For starters give me your take on this that I wrote to you before….

    Finally, since you gave a “real world” example allow me to provide one as well. Some years ago I worked for a major telecom company as a contractor. I had at the time a great deal of experience, credentials, education, and certifications. When it came time for contractors to be hired permanently by the company, my “white” co-worker who had fewer years in the field, less education(a GED at the time), few certifications, and a shorter time on the job was offered the job first and his initial offer was 16k more than my eventual initial offer. Allow me to further state that of my credentials, one was the CISSP certification which is the gold standard for security certifications. This gentleman did not have that certification at all yet he was offered first and offered more. The only way I knew what his offer was is because he was so excited that he told everyone about it. Of course I eventually accepted an offer that was acceptable but I had to fight twice as hard to get what was given to him. ( I accepted an offer 6k more than his initial offer). However, this put me at the same level as him when on paper, I was on a level with guys who had been at the company for years. I was only the 2nd in my department besides my then manager who had obtained the CISSP credential yet it counted for naught when it was time to hire. My work history was great. I was a subject matter expert. I was in great standing in the company yet this was my reality, I had to fight for what was given to my white counter part. Can I get your take on that please?

    Give me your take on this. Can this be viewed as anything other than institutional racism? Bear in mind that the managers who recommended the salaries and hiring order were all white. Lets start with this one then we’ll progress further.

    -Elliott

  • W Johnson

    Elliott

    As a follow up.

    You say Aficans who come here do better and blacks born here?

    Blacks are MUCH worse to other blacks in Africa!

    How can your people ENDLESSLY blame whites for your failures in America, the most prosperous land there has ever been. REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING YOU MIGHT SAY, THEY CAN’T OVERCOME IT WHEN ANY OTHER GROUP COMES HERE AND DOES?!?!

  • W Johnson

    Elliott

    Are you saying there is NO OTHER reason than racism? His work wasn’t better? I truly cannot believe that unless you were working for the KKK, a company would promote a white over you for so much money unless the white was a much better worker than you.

    I am CFO. I hire for my department, about 30 people. I could care less what color anyone is. For me to get good raises and bonuses, I need to produce great product and keep payroll reasonable. I hired the Chinese girl who speaks broken English and she is awesome. To hire an inferior white would be to cut off my nose to spite my face.

    To me, it makes no sense. If you are TRULY the better worker, your boss would look much better by promoting you, wouldn’t he?! So, you’re telling me he promoted someone for a lot of money to do inferior work. Did he get fired?

    AND, if the place you were working is truly that racist, why would you want to work there?!

    I would not look for a job in Harlem, because I don’t think I would do well or fit in. I got a job in a place where I know I can excel, and I do.

  • Elliott Abraham

    W. Johnson

    When others come to this country, because in comparison it is so great and ripe with opportunity, they simply go for the gusto. I know many Africans who come here and are wildly successful when compared to native born African Americans. This is a very interesting dynamic indeed. However, you need to let go of your “you blacks are all whiners” rhetoric if we are to engage in meaningful dialog.

    There are millions of African Americans who are doing extremely well in this country, in spite of more than because of this country. Look how hard I had to fight though to get what was handed to a less skill, less credentialed, less educated white co-worker. Bear in mind, this person today is one of my very good friends. It doesn’t change the fact though that by default he was immediately catapulted over me economically, based upon what? Understand that I am a bulldog, a self starter, extremely motivated. I served my country in the USMC. I love this country, warts and all. That means I love this country even though I know she is imperfect. I submit that many whites love an “Image” of America. They don’t want to acknowledge that she has flaws, stretch marks, moles, wrinkles are yes warts. I love this country, flaws and all but I am a realist concerning the fact the yes she is not perfect but she is mine all mine. I love her even though historically speaking she has not be a reciprocal lover….Understand my point?

  • W Johnson

    Elliott

    I don’t agree. Most whites are way too busy trying to make it in life to spend time with racist feelings towards blacks. They know about the problems in the country, but blacks act like whites all have it made.

    Maybe it was chemistry. I’ve been passed over plenty of times because I’m not much of an ass kisser.

    This past summer I applied for 3 positions in S Fla. I was perfect for each. PERFECT!! I had phone interviews and all went great. NOT A SINGLE CALL BACK!! Why, because I’m black? I’m not. I have no idea. BUT, NOT A SINGLE CALL BACK.

    I have a good buddy who works his ass for Ernst and Young. He worked 80 hours in 4 days last year. He handles some of the biggest accounts in the group. He’s been told he is not going to make partner. He’s white.

    When I was there, I was told I wasn’t going to make partner because I kinda like to spend time with my family.

    I’m not an ass kiss type of guy, been passed over quite a few times, but I don’t get to blame it on my color.

    Get Lead the Field, set goals, f the disappointments and achieve your goals.

  • Tyeastia Green

    Wow. That was the deepest and most well thought out post that I’ve ever read. I’m African American, and I’ve never even heard a white person speak the truth in that way. NEVER! I agreed with everything you had to say, and I want to order your books for more enlightenment.
    Thank you Tim… thank you for speaking the truth.

  • http://WWW.CWIALPHA.COM BIG B

    THE PROBLEM IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS BLACK AND WHITE. THERE IS A GIANT MONSTER CALLED THE AMERICAN MEDIA THAT PITS WHITE AND BLACK [ GENTILE ] AMERICANS AGAINST EACH OTHER. WHO DO YOU THINK ARE FIGHTING SIDE BY SIDE IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ AND ALL OTHER WARS. ILL TELL YOU FOR SURE ITS NOT THE OWNERS OF THE MEDIA MONSTERS SONS AND DAUGHTERS. WHO DO YOU THINK ARE ON THE FOOTBALL,BASEBALL AND BASKETBALL TEAMS, WORKED IN MILLS AND FACTORIES THROUGHOUT THE U.S. WE CAN DO IT IF WE EDUCATE OURSELVES AND FIND OUT WHO THE REAL PROBLEM IS. WE [ black and white ] HAVE THE MAJORITY AS BLACK AND WHITE ARE SUFFERING IN MY HOMETOWN OF YOUNGSTOWN OH.[ another example of how blacks and whites get along]. TRUTH IS THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE BRAINWASHING MEDIA COMPANIES WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH WHITE OR BLACK AMERICA JUST TO USE US FOR THERE PERSONAL GREEDY WANTS AND NEEDS!!!! ITS TIME TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.

  • Mike

    I am a Samoan-American and I have lived in many diverse neighborhoods and worked with many people of varying cultures–blacks, hispanics, filipinos, white and chinese. Without question, black people are far and away the most racist group. They scream racism and pull the race card out anytime they feel slighted in any way, shape or form. It gets old real quick. You see it everywhere; movies, TV, in the neighborhood and at work.
    For instance, at work, I’ve never reprimanded a single white or hispanic person for racist or insensitive comments while at work. I have, however, verbally scolded many blacks for making racist comments toward other co-workers, such as “cracker”. Blacks are also historically the worst employees; they complain about things all the time whether it is justified or not; they always want something for nothing.
    I overheard a black guy at the gym a few months back saying that whites owe them for “400 years of oppression”. Although, slavery was a truly horrible thing, what exactly do the white people today owe black people? Unless some of these white folks are 200-300 years old and were around during that time, they don’t owe blacks anything. Are descendants of poor Irishmen, Chinese or Italians who immigrated here in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, that endured hardships, owed anything extra? I am all for defending and being proud my people, but I don’t place the blame at the doorstep of other races for my ethnic groups hardships and failures, my people are better than that. I certainly don’t use my skin color as a crutch. Only weak people do that. When I fail at something, I don’t blame “whitey”. Blacks always scream for respect, but never earn it or give it.

  • Elliott Abraham

    Mike…

    Consider this statement….Only the person who has been injured knows when he/she should say “ouch”.

    You reveal very much in your statements and I won’t attempt to defend my people because we can we crass, as can others. However, to suggest that there is a correlation to voluntary immigrants and those who were forced on a “cruise” away from their homeland is very naive.

    It never ceases to amaze me how other people think they have a right to tell black people how they should feel. Hyper sensitive is the term most often bandied about. If you haven’t been hurt by it, you aren’t sensitive to it. Prolonged pressure also causes sensitivity. We don’t have to go back 400 years to find injustice. Lest you forget, or perhaps you don’t even know that it was THIS country that we all love dearly that bombed her own people on American soil in Oklahoma in I think 1921. They didn’t bomb poor Irishmen, Chinese, Italians or even Somoans…Guess Mike who they bombed….you guessed it buddy, blacks. So to that I say we have the right to say OUCH anytime, and everytime we either feel a hurt or sense a hurt might be imminent lest we get bombed again!

  • W Johnson

    Elliott

    I am a CPA. I have two black clients, all are very nice people.

    The first couple, both are attorneys. The wife makes about $125k, the husband teaches at Bronx community college and makes about $35k.

    The second couple, the wife makes about $100k, the husband about $19k.

    Ok, 1921. 80+ years ago. There have been injustices to everyone. You tell me my hard times can’t compare to blacks hard times. How do you know?! Just because they’re black their hard times are tougher than whites?! How friggin racist is that?!

    My son plays ice hockey. There is an instructional league Sun evenings. There must be 70 kids there. One black family. Every practice I go over and talk to his father because I appreciate it must be uncomfortable being the only black. I talk to his kid after practice and encourage him.

    But, that is where it ends. I feel no obligation to him because his ancestors may or may not have been slaves, because some white people may or may not have been racist to him. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE MY FAMILY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Slavery is an African institution regardless of how much you deny it. My ancestors had hard times, too. We don’t get to blame anyone.

    Blaming others for your failures is the way of the loser. One of the signs at my son’s ice hockey rink says ‘hockey is like life – fall down, get up – fall down, get up – fall down, get up’.

    The only thing the endless blame blacks try to put on whites is make whites more hostile towards blacks. So, you want more hostility, keep blaming whites for your failures. DON’T EVER think whites will back down.

  • Valerie

    Roland I want to know why no one in the mainstream media other than MSNBC have questioned Hilliary’s attachment to “The Family” also known as “The Fellowship?” Have you viewed “Hilliary the Movie?” This woman can not be allowed back into the White House and if we are going to judge Barack on Rev. Wright (which is really beneficial in my black eyes) we are going to have to discuss the things this woman has done already and who she associates with. Here are some links to consider that will lead you to others. I was up all night, bugging out! lol

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-g-brant/say-hillary-what-about-t_b_93435.html

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8464923602139974671

  • Elliott Abraham

    WJ

    When you need to say ouch, say it. Other than that, I won’t go any further in this thread…It is getting useless. I wish you well.

  • W Johnson

    Elliott

    God almighty it is!

    Enjoy your self-pity.

  • http://www.inbrilliant.com Daniel

    I couldn’t understand some parts of this article White anti-racist educator Tim Wise drops it!, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.

  • KEE-KEE

    This was an unbelievable well thoughout article from Mr. Tim Wise. To be completely honest, I’ve never even heard of tim wise until now. I am black, and I never even heard of a few of those things stated in the article. TWO THUMBS UP!!!!

    As for the honest and direct discussion about race that is needed so badly in this county, but will not be had. As I further think about it those that are not effected by the situation, really could care less about OUR PLIGHT.

    This conversation will be had amongst some in private circles, meaning both black and white. But, I really believe that a public discussion is not doable at this time, (meaning, in history). There are still so many that refuse to see the situation for what it really is, and I’m talking about blacks and whites. I’ve read alot of interesting things in the prev. blogs, some I agree will and some I don’t. And what i read is the unwillingness to see things through another’s lens, and that goes both ways.

    Which is why I admire Senator Obama so much, because he has the unique ability to do just that. While reading the blogs, some questions arose (don’t know who said it), but about going to some feild where their was this one black family and he went over to talk to him because u know he must have been uncomfortable. my question is, why should he feel uncomfortable? From what I read this sounds like a pretty recent story, I mean were not talking about even one hundred years ago. I can imagine that this black family wasn/t sorrounded by KKK members who wanted to kill them, WHY WAS HE UNCOMFORTABLE. ANSWER: BECAUSE RACISM STILL EXISTS IN THIS COUNTY, VERY RAMPANTLY. I have so many stories of blantant reacism as well as, stories of those whites who honestly, don’t have a clue. but I know well all do, so I won’t bore you.

    Finally, I’d add, to all those who say, “slavery and jim crow was long ago, I didn’t do it, and get over it”. There is some truth in that, however, you are (and not every white) the decendants of those who comitted those atrocities against the black people, and you still benefit from those institutions which was feed by those atrocites. And to the “get over it” part, WE ARE WHO WE ARE BECAUSE OF WHO WE WERE.

    A.A.

  • KEE-KEE

    CORRECTION:

    I KNOW WE ALL DO, I WON’T BORE YOU.

  • Hiram Abiff

    Wigga Johnson,

    Continue to Research, Dig, and Find all the “BOGUS STUFF” you can about Black People, be sure to post it Homo Boy. As I said, if Blacks are nothing to you, then why do you continue to stick your fat red nose in our bit-ness? Go bang some little 10year in his Dookie Hole and Piehole like your Irish Priest continues to do.

    Wigga, go jump, you will neva be “Our Kind of People”. Your just a wanna be Cyber Bully. Long Lives the Queen
    :-)

  • Ashley

    This essay has enlightened me to things I’ve never knew. Thank you Tim.

  • kuntakinte

    Hiram -

    Written by a non-American African. He wants to know why black men around the world stay at the bottom, black women have passed them by, also. He does not have the crutch of blaming whitey for all their problems.

    http://www.nigeriansinamerica.com/articles/1120/1/What-Is-Wrong-With-The-Black-Man/Page1.html

    For all your childish ramblings – I am at the top and you are at the bottom. I keep moving up, you dig deeper.

    Schvatza.

  • Got oil?

    Reversed Rascism, they say. Ummm. My error. One cannot experience “reverse racism” in a country where many claim it doesn’t exsit, right?

  • Katriba Wada
  • kuntakinte

    Got oil?

    AIDS inflicted on blacks by whites.

    I’ve heard of this.

    What evidence do you have, I would like to research further. This could be huge!

  • Hiram

    Kuntakinte, W. Johnson, and me, HA. We be the same person.

  • Dennis

    I have been watching the mainstream media some implying, and some flat out saying that BOTH Reverend Wright, and his church are racist, and that Black Liberation Theology is racist, yet I have yet to see one of these media organizations quote what Jeremiah Wright himself, said out of his OWN MOUTH about his views on Black Liberation Theology.

    When Jeremiah Wright appeared on FOX NEWS’s Hannity and Colmes, program on March 2, 2007, Jeremiah Wright said these words when asked this question by Alan Colmes:

    COLMES (HOST): But I want to ask you about your church that the public understands. I want the public to understand where your church is coming from, because you’re being accused of being a black separatist church, and thus Obama is being accused by default of being a black separatist. Can you straighten that out for us, please?
    WRIGHT: OK. The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history. It comes from the principles of Kawaida the second principle being Kuji Salawi (ph), which is self-determination, us naming ourselves, and not saying we are superior to anybody! We have no hierarchical arrangement! When you say an African-centered way of thinking, African-centered philosophy, African-centered theology, you’re talking about one center. We’re talking about something that’s different. And different does not mean deficient… nor does it mean superior or inferior! The whole notion of hierarchal, one’s superior, we must be separate because we’re better, that has absolutely nothing to do with…
    Now I know full well why this statement by Jeremiah Wright is not being publicized by Fox News, and run over, and over, and over like the few second of the sermons he gave, BUT what I do not understand is why CNN, and ABC NEWS, and CBS news (supposedly fair and balanced news sources), have not found this FOX NEWS TRANSCRIPT, (which I was able to find quite easily by simply googling: Jeremiah Wright, and Fox News.

    Roland I ask that you google: FOX NEWS and Jeremiah Wright, and find, and read the transcript of Jeremiah Wright’s appearance on FOX NEWS.

    Also please use your voice to inform your audience, (whether, on radio, or television), of the OTHER views of Jeremiah Wright as it was expressed out of his own mouth. The media seems intent on characterizing Jeremiah Wright on just a few seconds of a few sermons, maybe they should also hear what else the man has to say. This should enlighten some people, and hopefully quiet the insinuations, and proclamations by the mainstream media that Jeremiah Wright is racist.

    Roland you can see the entire transcript of the interview by googling: Jeremiah Wright, and Fox News

  • Roger

    First, I am an educator at a R1 (research focused university) in the process of writing my dissertation.

    I deal directly with white students concerning their attitudes, beliefs, and actions in regard to our (America) ideological beliefs that are perpetuated and reinforced through the institution of education.

    I was raised in an impoverished, drug infested, “dysfunctional” neighborhood where when I revisit I see the consequences of racism, crack cocaine, and diplacement (racial and economic).

    Here are some of the issues in the literature:

    White Flight-when a certain percentage of people of color move into a neighborhood, whites begin to move out.

    Privilege (White)- social arrangements of dominance cause privileges to flow to certain groups whether or not those privileges are earned.

    Private/Public School Debate-White and Black parents alike are pulling their children out of public schools for a more quality education to prepare them for the realities of college and universities because of the terrible conditions of most public schools (some believe to be a form of re-segregation). It is believed by some that these same blacks are “assimilated negroes” that have accepted the dominace of European and Western Culture.

    Assumption of rightness (righteousness)-Dominant groups tend to claim truth as their private domain: whites have set up institutions to protect and legitimize their ideas as right and those of “the other” as hogwash or lacking evidence (according to standards/rules traditionally set up by racist whites), or individuals applying this philosophy in interpersonal relationships, this brand of righteousness has closed the ears and hearts of many to hear anything that remotely contrasts their belief system from even those that they deem significant in their lives.

    The luxury of ignorance-The assumption of rightness is often reinforced by the fact that dominant groups tend to know very little about those people whom they define as “the other” (people of color and indigenous people).

    Of course these are all points of view/interpretation of lived experiences of these different groups.

    All of these concepts came from one text penned by a white author Gary Howard.

    I said all of that to say this. We seem to be an ignorant nation collectively regarding any issues that emerge in relationship to race, class, gender, and sexual orientation, especially when focusing on inequality.

    Most of my students have absolutely no idea what to say when even asking them what they know about WEB Dubois, Booker T. Washington, Fredrick Douglas, Fred Hampton, well even a Roland Martin or a Jeff Johnson (BET). In much of our literature, the argument is made that white pre-service teachers are not prepared to deal with schools that are becoming increasingly diverse. There is avid disagreements on how to define multiuculturalism (see Western traditionalists, vs. muliticultualists vs. Afrocentrists).

    I could go on, but I will end with this statement:

    In light of all of the political drama, there are still people struggling and dying everyday as a result of ideology emerging from imperial conquest/european expansion/colonialism/globalism in regard to race, class, gender and other labels of stratification and demarcation.

    Folks, if you think we are in trouble now, you better put your faith caps on because unless addressed, what these tensions are leading to looks extremely devastating.

  • blackhistoryteacher

    This was a great article!. If you want anymore information on this topic, Read James Lowen “Lies My Teacher Told Me”. This book opened my eyes to somethings I already suspected. Teach your children that the history books are not accurate and leave out many of America’s injustices on people of this country and the rest of the world.

    Lately I have heard many whites say they slavery is over, don’t blame us for that, Let It Go!. We have let it go! White Americans guilt stems from its realization that they 1) know that they have been less-qualified for a job than the black person who passed over 2) have heard people use the word N-word and not said anything against it 3) have realized their prejudice when they see a black person who has acquired more wealth than them as businessmen, doctors, lawyers, politicians(how can become a black man become president before me) , this of course challenges their belief of all blacks as rappers, athletes, thugs, and drug dealers. Dont feel guilty about slavery, feel guilty about your thoughts towards people of color. Maybe once these thoughts are realized, we can truly have an honest discussion.

  • http://www.homelessforobama.blogspot.com mary CA

    To the comment: What is reverse racism if not another phrase coined by white people? How about angry black man? Wounded black man? How many know about Wright’s military service? That his 9/16/01 sound bite was him quoting Ambassador Peck? AIDS was created by the government. They first named it GRID (Gay Related Immune Deficiency). Several diseases were lumped together with the HI-virus and classified with Acquired Immune Deficiency. It is believed that the common animal virus got transmitted to humans due to lax inspections of pharmaceutical labs. Animal tissue or cells are used in manufacturing of some drugs. Failure to test animals used, improper serialization is the assumed culprit. It was suspected that an infected animal’s cells contaminated a smallpox vaccine. Wright may be justifiably paranoid, but not far from wrong, in that human error or carelessness~including government agencies that were lax~most likely caused the spread of the HI-virus. Many studies were done when the first known cases were found in humans. People hear a few cleverly edited pieces of 20 years of sermons and jump right in judging and condemning. Kangaroo Courts they used to be called.

  • http://www.homelessforobama.blogspot.com Alyce R.

    To W. Johnson: Ah, but do your children have to fear the Ku Klux Klan? Why would former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor side with a Klansman (1998 or so) and overturn a 50 year ban on cross burnings in Virginia? The Klan are known murderers and terrorists. Why do you think they still burn crosses on people’s yards? Why is that acceptable to our government? Why are you not outraged about it? I am white. I have seen white people throw African/American’s applications right into the trash can, long after discrimination laws went into effect. It has been proven that qualified African/Americans are turned down for home and business loans. Your posts are all about bigotry and fraught with stereotypes, rather than facts. I challenge you to do what John Howard Griffin back in 1959 and live life with black skin for a week or two. Easier would be to take a visit to Storm Front online. Or read some comments on You Tube videos. I know why Senator Obama’s staff had to turn off comments on his channel, I saw them and counted them, before they got removed. Because you are white, you do not have to do with such things. If people like you could see human beings, not black people lumped in a group as being different life would be much nicer for all citizens of the USA.

  • W Johnson

    Alyce R –

    I don’t live in fear of the KKK, nor do most blacks. How many do you know of that do?

    However, I DO fear driving through Newark, NJ and Camden, NJ.

    Yes, blacks applications have been thrown in the garbage. And convicted felons like Alan Iverson have gotten into Georgetown University, even though they are not the least bit qualified nor do they have any interest in getting an education.

    I have to live with just because I am white being held responsible for that African instituTion -SLAVERY!

    I have to keep unqualified blacks on my payroll who produce next to nothing because of fear we might get sued. I didn’t hire them.

  • http://WWW.CWIALPHA.COM BIG B

    what about this fact? holocaust survivors : less than 60 years later 3 generations paid in full working on generation 4. ww2 gold train robbery[US soldiers took gold and jewels fom a train] Jews getting paid for that even now. ww2 victims of hiroshima and nagasaki: sorry letters . victims of slavery: $0. why are people ok with these statistics? it does not seem fair to me! ” they stole our ruby’s they stole our gold, they stole our silver” rubenstein, silverstein and goldstein.” Rev. Farrakahn. This is not the work of white gentiles i promise you. I think Obama should go side by side with President Carter and talk to Hamas, it would be for the good of the “MAJORITY” of the people in the world. i wouldnt be surprised if w johnson is a jew,because thats one of their tactics. Take jews being 9% and african americans at 12%, then figure: #of soldiers, #prisoners, #of corporate billionaires,#of tv stations owned, #of newspaper owners, #of publishing companys,# who is outsourcing jobs, opening the borders for cheap labor. behind xxx filth pornography almost 100%, running our financial system to the ground, who is running the us judicial system? [to the point that the us jails are swelling up to record proportions.] homeless, the unemployed, the uninsured, the citizens in mortgage trouble. these figures will be very disturbing. you can also throw in white gentile [non jew ] and you will see the 9% see no color when it comes to greed and the almighty dollar! everyone should read President Harry S. Trumans memoirs as he warned about this fiasco by letting too many of the 9% into Ellis island would be detrimental to the good of democracy.

  • Jeff

    Roland. WHITE FOLK HERE.

    A lot of this is very true but it sure sounds like Black people that get out and get an education and work hard and make a good living must have forgot about all the terrible stuff that went on 400 years ago. How is it that they get on w/ their lives, integrate w/ WHITE FOLK and WHITE FOLK wouldn’t think about calling them the “N” word. They move out of the city and go to predominently white neighborhoods and go to predominently white schools.

    Then when they do GET OUT they get trashed by BLACK FOLK who call them UNCLE TOM, harrass them and SHOOT THEM (Washington Redskins running back??? That wasn’t just a robbery). They tell them to quit acting WHITE. I’ve seen this behavior first hand and it is even more sick that pure racism. Why – they got out and then are attacked by their own.

    But here’s the BIG issue. I – BEING ME, JEFF, person – Have never bought one slave, I never killed an Indian or ran the Mexicans out of the Southwest. I’m tired of being called WHITE FOLK and that I’m the cause of the problem and that I’m a bigot.

    The other BIG ISSUE is I don’t know one BLACK FOLK that picked one bale of cotton or was hung (Can’t say lynch anymore). I’m not sure I know a BLACK FOLK that knows a BLACK FOLK that knew someone that was hung. I certainly know that I don’t know any BLACK FOLK that were forced on a boat to serve as slaves. I do know a lot of WHITE FOLK died over the Emancipation Proclamation. What’s that worth???

    I think everyone needs to understand that we need to PINPOINT the racists BLACK or WHITE and call them by name and not generalize. If you want to get WHITE FOLK to be more understanding – Quit calling us bigots as a group. We understand the history but we’re able to put it behind us and go on.

    What am I responsible for right now is this war in Iraq. I vote everytime and this is my President only because they give me Al Gore and John Kerry as a choice.

    Sooo QUIT saying WHITE FOLK and talk about the bigots ON BOTH SIDES.

  • http://rolandsmartin.com Roland

    IMPORTANT message to HIRAM and ANYONE ELSE who curses

    Folks, I don’t mind folks going back and forth, debating the issues. But I will not tolerate individuals who use foul language in their posts. If you do, I will delete EVERY post of yours and ban you from the board. If you post, I will delete.

    Learn to talk with the language. This is the way it is – NOW.

  • W Johnson

    Jeff –

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Have you read Bill Cosby’s new book? He agrees too, but is called “out of touch” with his people. WTF does that mean?!?!

    Are you surprised Roland has not responded? Don’t be!

  • Hiram

    Bill Cosby,

    where was bill cosby when Black Folks really needed him. that old fart was somewhere chilling with his Boule Homies in Sag Harbor or Martha’s Vineyard, while the world witness (Eastcoast v/s Westcoast) Rap battles that ended with many Black Rappers dead.

    this guy is out of touch with his own soul as the case with many Blacks who call themselves Greeks or who are Light Skinned enough to pass and live as a White Person.

    now Dr. Cosby wants to speak his mind after old age has kicked in, the WAR is over Dr. Cosby, so why are you speaking to dead bodie.

    Long Lives the Queen ;-(

  • Hiram

    w johnson (Homo Boy Wonder)

    jeff (Gay Blade)

    Go find an All White Blog and stick your noses where they belong. Stay out of Black Folks Bit-ness ;-)

    Long Lives the Queen!

  • M.C.

    During the debate in Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton weighed in on Reverend Wright. she said that for Reverend Wright to have given his first sermon after 9/11 and to have blamed the U.S. for the attacks would have been intolerable for her, and therefore, she would not have been able to stay in the church.

    My heart aches for the loss of life that occurred on 9/11 and for the families of those who were killed, but the reality is that the 9/11 attacks probably did have something to do with U.S. foreign policy.

    During the 1990s, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children died as a direct result of US-led UN sanctions. On May 12, 1996, Leslie Stahl interviewed Bill Clinton’s Secretary of State Madeline Albright on 60 Minutes:

    Stahl, on the sanctions: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

    Albright’s response: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2irN1G5HiRo

    In late March 1997, less than a year after Albright’s appearance on 60 Minutes, CNN reporter Peter Arnett interviewed Osama bin Laden who said: “A reaction might take place as a result of US government’s hitting Muslim civilians and executing more than 600 thousand Muslim children in Iraq by preventing food and medicine from reaching them. So, the US is responsible for any reaction, because it extended its war against troops to civilians…”

    Peter Arnett asked Osama bin Laden if he had an opportunity to give a message to President Clinton, what would that message be?

    Osama bin Laden’s response: “Mentioning the name of Clinton or that of the American government provokes disgust and revulsion. This is because the name of the American government and the name of Clinton and Bush directly reflect in our minds the picture of children with their heads cut off before even reaching one year of age. It reflects the picture of children with their hands cut off, the picture of the children who died in Iraq…”

    http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_cnn.htm

    Hillary Clinton wants us to believe that she is better prepared than Barack Obama to protect us from Osama bin Laden. It is my opinion that, if Hillary Clinton were to return to the White House with Bill, she might turn out to be a national security risk.

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  • jason

    Having watched CNN back during the primaries between Clinton and Obama, I must say that without a doubt Roland Martin is such a racist syndicated thug. This man obviously has an enormous chip on his shoulder. GTF over it! You black people have it far better here in the US than blacks have it in Africa. Black people fill our cities with crime (which THEY are responsible for, not whites, for not instilling in their children personal responsibility and to be law-abiding), drain the country of socialist welfare handouts like food stamps, tuition, housing and utility “assistance;” and are given about a 200-point SAT bonus by college admissions offices to let them have a more qualified white or Asians seat in the top colleges. Yet, the vast majority of what we hear from thugs like Roland is how bad America is for them. Then go back to Africa! White people made this into the world’s strongest economy; white people have been the ones to make almost all scientific advancements and technology. You are the beneficiaries of the white man, and whatever you were owed in “restitution” because your ancestors did menial labor like picking cotton (not to mention the fact that slaves in the US had longer lifespans and oftentimes better treatment here than in Africa where other blacks were selling each other as slaves) was payed back long ago in the trillions spent on feeding, housing, educating and incarcerating blacks.

    My experience shows me that without a doubt, blacks are often the biggest racists you will ever meet. Blacks like Roland don’t want equal rights; whites don’t have a problem with equal rights. You really want SPECIAL rights. And the slave days are just your cheap excuse to not have to admit personal cultural faults and take personal responsibility.

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  • James May

    I read Wise's above essay and was able to take it apart quite easily. It was academically debauched, disingenuous, and Wise had to corrupt himself considerably to write it. Just for fun I made footnotes in a text editor cuz I was so appalled at the man's childish notions of journalism, academia or whatever you want to call this sloppy excuse for an essay. Virtually every paragraph had some racist nonsense in it. I could slap this guy around in a debate as easy as pie cuz a racist is easier to trip up than anyone. “Shiny white faces”? Not exactly history. I'm trying to imagine a telling of the invasion of Normandy with someone referring to the Allied soldiers “shiny white faces” or the Nazi's jew-hating visages. People with truth and logic on their side don't need to dress up their prose like this. A nonsensical essay from beginning to end, particularly the part where Wise utterly corrupts himself to defend Rev. (garlic noses) Wright. Love him quoting Baldwin's own racist remark about assigning delusion to children by skin color. What a guy.

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